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View EverybodyDannsNow's Profile EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 08 May 24 3.55pm Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

Was a decision made by the public which Parliament reluctantly had to agree to. Many Tories were and still are pro EU.

Anti Trans sentiment? You forget to mention the huge toxic bile from the pro Trans lobby pillorying anyone who dared to criticise them. Personally I have no problems in my extended family we have one. However when medical staff and researchers are victimised just because they are concerned about life changing treatment of children I think the government is right to intervene.

Stricter protest laws, yeah pity the police don't use them. Anti trade union laws yup pity the railway management don't use them.

Benefits. You only have to look at the huge increase in people claiming to be sick with illnesses that cannot be disproved they are either faking it or they need help which the government is now saying they will get, let's hope they do.

I did specifically say I’m not really interested in doing the merits of each point, just countering the suggestion that this government haven’t had right wing policies.

What the ‘trans lobby’ or other affiliated groups do is largely irrelevant when discussing the actions of the government - this government have happily jumped on this ‘define a woman’ culture war s***e and stirred that pot, and that type of sentiment is now creeping into policy, rightly or wrongly.

Steeleye is correct that the anti-environmentalism angle is another area that supports this being a right wing government.

 

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Originally posted by steeleye20

The water 'industry' should be seen as the epitaph for tory privatisation and capitalism too.

Really it makes the mafia look good.

Forget holidays in Britain it's too risky to bathe anywhere here - try the continent you just left.


What's your alternative to Capitalism?

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 08 May 24 4.17pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

I did specifically say I’m not really interested in doing the merits of each point, just countering the suggestion that this government haven’t had right wing policies.

What the ‘trans lobby’ or other affiliated groups do is largely irrelevant when discussing the actions of the government - this government have happily jumped on this ‘define a woman’ culture war s***e and stirred that pot, and that type of sentiment is now creeping into policy, rightly or wrongly.

Steeleye is correct that the anti-environmentalism angle is another area that supports this being a right wing government.


So to sum up.

I normally vote Tory but I don't think they are Tory enough.

You normally vote Labour? but you don't think they are Labour enough.

We both think the other party is shinola.

Glad we cleared that up.

 


One more point

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View georgenorman's Profile georgenorman Flag 08 May 24 4.46pm Send a Private Message to georgenorman Add georgenorman as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

The water 'industry' should be seen as the epitaph for tory privatisation and capitalism too.

Really it makes the mafia look good.

Forget holidays in Britain it's too risky to bathe anywhere here - try the continent you just left.

UK is 8th in ranking in Europe for clean waters. Perhaps you should forget holidays in Portugal, Spain, Italy, Greece and France, who all rank lower.

 

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Originally posted by georgenorman

UK is 8th in ranking in Europe for clean waters. Perhaps you should forget holidays in Portugal, Spain, Italy, Greece and France, who all rank lower.

So that makes water quality alright then.

 

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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Flag Croydon 08 May 24 5.18pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Originally posted by georgenorman

UK is 8th in ranking in Europe for clean waters. Perhaps you should forget holidays in Portugal, Spain, Italy, Greece and France, who all rank lower.

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 08 May 24 5.36pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

I did specifically say I’m not really interested in doing the merits of each point, just countering the suggestion that this government haven’t had right wing policies.

What the ‘trans lobby’ or other affiliated groups do is largely irrelevant when discussing the actions of the government - this government have happily jumped on this ‘define a woman’ culture war s***e and stirred that pot, and that type of sentiment is now creeping into policy, rightly or wrongly.

Steeleye is correct that the anti-environmentalism angle is another area that supports this being a right wing government.

And you wasn’t going into specifics, are you a fish ?

 

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Originally posted by beak

So that makes water quality alright then.

Who said that?

It does show Steeleye's statement of: "Forget holidays in Britain it's too risky to bathe anywhere here - try the continent you just left" as fallacious.

 

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View beak's Profile beak Flag croydon 08 May 24 5.49pm Send a Private Message to beak Add beak as a friend

Originally posted by georgenorman

Who said that?

It does show Steeleye's statement of: "Forget holidays in Britain it's too risky to bathe anywhere here - try the continent you just left" as fallacious.

Rowing teams like Oxford and Cambridge now have to take precautions as the Thames is so polluted as we are now dealing in facts.

 

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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 08 May 24 5.56pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

The water 'industry' should be seen as the epitaph for tory privatisation and capitalism too.

Really it makes the mafia look good.

Forget holidays in Britain it's too risky to bathe anywhere here - try the continent you just left.


You still live here then? Can still holiday on the continent can’t we? Except Tenerife who think they can survive without British tourism

 

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Originally posted by beak

Rowing teams like Oxford and Cambridge now have to take precautions as the Thames is so polluted as we are now dealing in facts.

My wife studied in Salford in the early eighties, their rowing team had to visit hospital every time they capsized

 

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 08 May 24 6.02pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by beak

Rowing teams like Oxford and Cambridge now have to take precautions as the Thames is so polluted as we are now dealing in facts.

Some more facts.

The Thames is currently one of the cleanest city waterways in the world.


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