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View taylors lovechild's Profile taylors lovechild Flag 28 Dec 23 9.10am Send a Private Message to taylors lovechild Add taylors lovechild as a friend

Removing the question of whether he'd be a good appointment, I think if we lose to Brentford then we'll find out if Cooper really is Parish's first choice to be the next manager as I think it would be the logical time to make a change (with no PL games for 3 weeks after that). If he isn't (or doesn't fancy the job) then whether Roy stays may once again come down to whether there is an alternative. Parish's MO is to appoint an experienced fire fighter in times of trouble. We have seemingly used all of those plus it would be weird to replace Roy with another old bloke. I certainly don't see him sacking Roy to take a gamble on a manager with no PL experience, or say putting Paddy in charge on an interim basis.

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 28 Dec 23 9.14am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by taylors lovechild

Removing the question of whether he'd be a good appointment, I think if we lose to Brentford then we'll find out if Cooper really is Parish's first choice to be the next manager as I think it would be the logical time to make a change (with no PL games for 3 weeks after that). If he isn't (or doesn't fancy the job) then whether Roy stays may once again come down to whether there is an alternative. Parish's MO is to appoint an experienced fire fighter in times of trouble. We have seemingly used all of those plus it would be weird to replace Roy with another old bloke. I certainly don't see him sacking Roy to take a gamble on a manager with no PL experience, or say putting Paddy in charge on an interim basis.

Tony Pulis and Sam Allardyce are currently not in management jobs .Neither are Steve Bruce or Mick McCarthy.Experienced heads to end of the season.

 

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View NEILLO's Profile NEILLO Online Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 28 Dec 23 9.17am Send a Private Message to NEILLO Add NEILLO as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

Tony Pulis and Sam Allardyce are currently not in management jobs .Neither are Steve Bruce or Mick McCarthy.Experienced heads to end of the season.

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View southnorwoodhill's Profile southnorwoodhill Flag 28 Dec 23 9.21am Send a Private Message to southnorwoodhill Add southnorwoodhill as a friend

Parish and Pardew seem chummy, and Pardew is a free agent.

 

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View fish mitten's Profile fish mitten Flag Chelmsford 28 Dec 23 9.37am Send a Private Message to fish mitten Add fish mitten as a friend

To be honest Willo, I wouldn't fancy any of them as manager. We already have in place the only manager who could be deemed a relegation 'saver'. Pulis I imagine we would never want and he wouldn't come back. Allardyce possibly similar and failed last 2 times. Bruce and McCarthy are busted flushes whose days in the Premier League are behind them.

I suspect we will appoint another manager who will fail spectacularly as he tries to introduce a different way to play at the wrong time of the season.

The Board mucked up spectacularly in the summer transfer window, the overall depth of the squad is weaker. That seriously needs to be addressed and needs a couple of players in by mid January. SP and the board won't though.

Our squad depth isn't good enough. End of. Roy may have made mistakes but unless we invest in January, I can't see any manager coming in and making a massive difference with what we have.

Last year Leicester sacked Rodgers and got even worse, the same with Leeds.


Originally posted by Willo

Tony Pulis and Sam Allardyce are currently not in management jobs .Neither are Steve Bruce or Mick McCarthy.Experienced heads to end of the season.

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 28 Dec 23 9.42am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by fish mitten

To be honest Willo, I wouldn't fancy any of them as manager. We already have in place the only manager who could be deemed a relegation 'saver'. Pulis I imagine we would never want and he wouldn't come back. Allardyce possibly similar and failed last 2 times. Bruce and McCarthy are busted flushes whose days in the Premier League are behind them.

I suspect we will appoint another manager who will fail spectacularly as he tries to introduce a different way to play at the wrong time of the season.

The Board mucked up spectacularly in the summer transfer window, the overall depth of the squad is weaker. That seriously needs to be addressed and needs a couple of players in by mid January. SP and the board won't though.

Our squad depth isn't good enough. End of. Roy may have made mistakes but unless we invest in January, I can't see any manager coming in and making a massive difference with what we have.

Last year Leicester sacked Rodgers and got even worse, the same with Leeds.

Leicester relieved Rodgers of his duties when they were 18th with only 10 games remaining and they ended the season in 18th place.

 

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View Elphers40's Profile Elphers40 Flag Northants 28 Dec 23 9.46am Send a Private Message to Elphers40 Add Elphers40 as a friend

How can anyone be surprised with what we’ve seen from Roy this season? Didn’t we all expect this type of football from his team? He is an irritatingly cautious manager and has been this way throughout his career.

He is a very decent man , but it is deeply frustrating (and at times depressing) to see such talented young players constrained by the defensive approach to every game. When you look at the likes of Bournemouth/Wolves/Brighton you can see the respective managers have improved individual players through good coaching and providing opportunities for game time - which has developed them.

Roy will only provide opportunities when pushed into it through injury- Chris Richards/Ozoh are examples of this. (I think they have both been very good).
I have written off the January window on the basis that anyone new arriving at the club won’t be used anyway - unless 2-0 down with 10 minutes to go! The only crumb of comfort is that I do actually believe Luton, Burnley and Sheffield U Will finish below us…..but it may be by as comfortable as thought a few weeks ago.

I don’t see us making the change with Roy until the end of the season unfortunately - which will be a shame for the younger players - and a growing number of increasingly disillusioned fans.

 

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View Davepalace707's Profile Davepalace707 Flag Northumberland 28 Dec 23 9.53am Send a Private Message to Davepalace707 Add Davepalace707 as a friend

Originally posted by fish mitten

To be honest Willo, I wouldn't fancy any of them as manager. We already have in place the only manager who could be deemed a relegation 'saver'. Pulis I imagine we would never want and he wouldn't come back. Allardyce possibly similar and failed last 2 times. Bruce and McCarthy are busted flushes whose days in the Premier League are behind them.

I suspect we will appoint another manager who will fail spectacularly as he tries to introduce a different way to play at the wrong time of the season.

The Board mucked up spectacularly in the summer transfer window, the overall depth of the squad is weaker. That seriously needs to be addressed and needs a couple of players in by mid January. SP and the board won't though.

Our squad depth isn't good enough. End of. Roy may have made mistakes but unless we invest in January, I can't see any manager coming in and making a massive difference with what we have.

Last year Leicester sacked Rodgers and got even worse, the same with Leeds.


Really? Look at our form. Ask Watford fans how that episode of avoiding relegation went.

It’s criminal that the only time we have really given it a go at attacking the opposition - we scored two goals at the Etihad against Man City. That’s the only time. The rest is history.

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 28 Dec 23 9.55am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Elphers40

How can anyone be surprised with what we’ve seen from Roy this season? Didn’t we all expect this type of football from his team? He is an irritatingly cautious manager and has been this way throughout his career.

He is a very decent man , but it is deeply frustrating (and at times depressing) to see such talented young players constrained by the defensive approach to every game. When you look at the likes of Bournemouth/Wolves/Brighton you can see the respective managers have improved individual players through good coaching and providing opportunities for game time - which has developed them.

Roy will only provide opportunities when pushed into it through injury- Chris Richards/Ozoh are examples of this. (I think they have both been very good).
I have written off the January window on the basis that anyone new arriving at the club won’t be used anyway - unless 2-0 down with 10 minutes to go! The only crumb of comfort is that I do actually believe Luton, Burnley and Sheffield U Will finish below us…..but it may be by as comfortable as thought a few weeks ago.

I don’t see us making the change with Roy until the end of the season unfortunately - which will be a shame for the younger players - and a growing number of increasingly disillusioned fans.

We are slipping into the abyss and the relegation trapdoor is staring us in the face.

Perhaps there is a manager out there whom Steve Parish rates and who is available and he might be tempted to appoint this person as soon as possible before he is employed by a rival club.The 'Transfer Window' is about to open and Mr Hodgson will not be at the club next season.

 

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View Goalpost1's Profile Goalpost1 Flag Worcester Park 28 Dec 23 10.00am Send a Private Message to Goalpost1 Add Goalpost1 as a friend

Whilst I have supported Roy I am now if the view that it is time to make a change. If we lose to Brentford I think it may happen after that game.

What is frustrating is most weeks we seem to be just on the losing side. Injuries are playing a big part in that and obvious that we need two or three experienced heads in Jan. IMO let a new manager make that choice. Get it right and I can see us being relatively comfortable.

 

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View derfes's Profile derfes Flag upper norwood 28 Dec 23 10.05am Send a Private Message to derfes Add derfes as a friend

i think there are two simple metrics on which we can determine whether to sack a manager.

Win %

viera: 29.73
Hodgson: 32.26 from 31 games

if we lose to brentford, everton, arsenal and shefield wednesday then Hodgson's win percentage will fall below vierra's

Points per game
Viera :1.229
Hodgson:1.258

current points won is 39
accordingly we have vierra equivalent point attaintment equivalents.
Brentford:39.35
everton : 40.58
Arsenal : 41.81
Sheff wed:43.04


current points won is 39. I'd want to examine after sheffield wednesday, but Hodgson's record this season( never mind the bournemouth performance) isn't encouraging.

 

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View Phil’s Barber's Profile Phil’s Barber Flag Crowborough 28 Dec 23 10.09am Send a Private Message to Phil’s Barber Add Phil’s Barber as a friend

Originally posted by fish mitten

To be honest Willo, I wouldn't fancy any of them as manager. We already have in place the only manager who could be deemed a relegation 'saver'. Pulis I imagine we would never want and he wouldn't come back. Allardyce possibly similar and failed last 2 times. Bruce and McCarthy are busted flushes whose days in the Premier League are behind them.

I suspect we will appoint another manager who will fail spectacularly as he tries to introduce a different way to play at the wrong time of the season.

Our squad depth isn't good enough. End of. Roy may have made mistakes but unless we invest in January, I can't see any manager coming in and making a massive difference with what we have.


I cannot understand this mentality that Roy is the ONLY person who can keep us up?!

 

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