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View Rainforest's Profile Rainforest Flag London England 28 Dec 23 5.04pm Send a Private Message to Rainforest Add Rainforest as a friend

Well said.

 

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Originally posted by YoDougie

Finally found a moment to fully express my views following the loss yesterday against Chelsea.

I believe we have reached a moment where the blame must be equally split between both Roy Hodgson & Steve Parish/The Board.

Starting with the board, regardless of the views of the Viera sacking, bringing Hodgson back to finish the final 10 or so games last season was a very sensible move. He steadied the ship, albeit against on-paper 'easier' opposition and kept us safe. There was a lot of frustrated fans in Roy's final season and that gave him the opportunity to receive the hero's goodbye which he quite frankly deserved.

However, in those 3-4 months it was Parish/the board's responsibility to be scouting a new successor. I genuinely don't quite understand the thinking behind appointing Roy for 1 more year. It's not long term and therefore doesn't help our club move forward. Just retain and stay still for a year.

I've seen a similar argument recently and historically here before which is 'who else can do the job?' and I really despise this weak argument. Firstly, we are an established Premier League club - the idea that nobody would be attracted here is ridiculous. Secondly, it's not down to us as fans to identify someone. We know the big available names i.e Cooper, Lopetegui - etc, but we have a scouting team who should be identifying exciting and available managers from other leagues, domestic and abroad. They exist and we've seen other clubs find them and become successful with them over the years.

With Roy Hodgson, we've regressed to negative tactics which frustrated us all in his final season with us. Play for a draw, using his same 12-13 players on rotation, players being played out of position, and subs being used very late if we're lucky.

I've seen a few comments asking if anyone else could do better with our team? My view on this is strongly yes. Our team is not a poor team - it's a skeleton squad for sure but we have some very good talent here. Olise & Eze are our star boys. Guehi & Anderson are a superb CB pairing. Lerma, Doucoure (when fit) are both strong, talented midfielders and Hughes has been much improved this season. Richards is playing out of position but his defensive abilities - tackling, interceptions and tracking back is very very good. But a midfielder he is not. Our spine is strong and we genuinely have no idea how good players like Franca, Ozoh, JRS because their minutes have been minimal.

Finally, something I've noticed is whilst we don't want to sell players, we almost never earn any money from any player sales. With FFP, we can spend a certain % of club earnings. Well, if we aren't selling ever, our earnings and profit are of course lower. I'm not saying we should sell our top players but we need to be smarter to reinvest. Zaha for example should not have been allowed to leave for free. Even if we secured £20mill for him with a contract and agreement with him we'd let him go, that's further investment available for us to build the squad and manager/coaching staff. This is an issue that doesn't get discussed enough. Every club makes player sales, except us.

Unfortunately, Roy needs to leave now. But the board needs to adjust the way they are running this club. (This is not a Parish out post)


Edited by YoDougie (28 Dec 2023 3.20pm)

Very well said!

 

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Originally posted by YoDougie

Finally found a moment to fully express my views following the loss yesterday against Chelsea.

I believe we have reached a moment where the blame must be equally split between both Roy Hodgson & Steve Parish/The Board.

Starting with the board, regardless of the views of the Viera sacking, bringing Hodgson back to finish the final 10 or so games last season was a very sensible move. He steadied the ship, albeit against on-paper 'easier' opposition and kept us safe. There was a lot of frustrated fans in Roy's final season and that gave him the opportunity to receive the hero's goodbye which he quite frankly deserved.

However, in those 3-4 months it was Parish/the board's responsibility to be scouting a new successor. I genuinely don't quite understand the thinking behind appointing Roy for 1 more year. It's not long term and therefore doesn't help our club move forward. Just retain and stay still for a year.

I've seen a similar argument recently and historically here before which is 'who else can do the job?' and I really despise this weak argument. Firstly, we are an established Premier League club - the idea that nobody would be attracted here is ridiculous. Secondly, it's not down to us as fans to identify someone. We know the big available names i.e Cooper, Lopetegui - etc, but we have a scouting team who should be identifying exciting and available managers from other leagues, domestic and abroad. They exist and we've seen other clubs find them and become successful with them over the years.

With Roy Hodgson, we've regressed to negative tactics which frustrated us all in his final season with us. Play for a draw, using his same 12-13 players on rotation, players being played out of position, and subs being used very late if we're lucky.

I've seen a few comments asking if anyone else could do better with our team? My view on this is strongly yes. Our team is not a poor team - it's a skeleton squad for sure but we have some very good talent here. Olise & Eze are our star boys. Guehi & Anderson are a superb CB pairing. Lerma, Doucoure (when fit) are both strong, talented midfielders and Hughes has been much improved this season. Richards is playing out of position but his defensive abilities - tackling, interceptions and tracking back is very very good. But a midfielder he is not. Our spine is strong and we genuinely have no idea how good players like Franca, Ozoh, JRS because their minutes have been minimal.

Finally, something I've noticed is whilst we don't want to sell players, we almost never earn any money from any player sales. With FFP, we can spend a certain % of club earnings. Well, if we aren't selling ever, our earnings and profit are of course lower. I'm not saying we should sell our top players but we need to be smarter to reinvest. Zaha for example should not have been allowed to leave for free. Even if we secured £20mill for him with a contract and agreement with him we'd let him go, that's further investment available for us to build the squad and manager/coaching staff. This is an issue that doesn't get discussed enough. Every club makes player sales, except us.

Unfortunately, Roy needs to leave now. But the board needs to adjust the way they are running this club. (This is not a Parish out post)


Edited by YoDougie (28 Dec 2023 3.20pm)

100% agree and top post by the way..!!

COYP

 

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View Croydon-Trucker's Profile Croydon-Trucker Flag 28 Dec 23 6.07pm Send a Private Message to Croydon-Trucker Add Croydon-Trucker as a friend

Originally posted by n wales eagles

You are a number one tosser

Yes agree with you there , nothing funny about cancer .

 

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View PatrickA's Profile PatrickA Flag London 28 Dec 23 6.32pm Send a Private Message to PatrickA Add PatrickA as a friend

Have you ever played for Palace
Did you support a palace growing up and born in Croydon
Do you want input into player recruitment
Do you think we need to recruit
'Do you currently have a job
Have you at any point in your recent career been bullied and sacked
Do you think their are any better right backs than Ward and Clyne
Do you want to be front and centre when things are going well
Is Dougie Freedman the most ineffective talent scout
Do you mind if Paddy sits beside you and reports back to the chairman
Are you uneasy about the chairman and his mates meddling in 1st affairs
Do you think Nathan Ferguson is finished as a footballer
Do you need strikers that could hit a cows arse with a banjo
Is there any competition for your services
Thanks for that but as you answered yes to one of the above we need to widen our search a little.'

I read the above elsewhere. It's a spoof about the interview process for a new manager.

 

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View eritheagle's Profile eritheagle Flag Erith 28 Dec 23 6.36pm Send a Private Message to eritheagle Add eritheagle as a friend

I've heard that Roy's press conference has been cancelled tomorrow as in the process of being sacked!

 

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View southnorwoodhill's Profile southnorwoodhill Flag 28 Dec 23 6.40pm Send a Private Message to southnorwoodhill Add southnorwoodhill as a friend

Originally posted by YoDougie

Finally found a moment to fully express my views following the loss yesterday against Chelsea.

I believe we have reached a moment where the blame must be equally split between both Roy Hodgson & Steve Parish/The Board.


Edited by YoDougie (28 Dec 2023 3.20pm)

A very good post. All those responsible in the running of the club at the top end are culpable for the current situation.
Any student of the game curious to know how long a club can last in the PL with minimal investment need only look at CPFC for the answer. Add to that the lengthy appointment of a relic of the past as manager (overall approaching 5 seasons of dreadful Royball now), one who is so out of tune with the modern game and is unfortunately stuck in the past and cannot adapt because he knows no other way and is incredibly stubborn to boot.... well, it's not going to end well.
But then again, what we are witnessing is the natural cycle of things given the circumstances and decisions that led us to this point. Relegation, it has to happen sooner or later following the path we have taken. Maybe this is the season.

 

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View Eaglecoops's Profile Eaglecoops Flag CR3 28 Dec 23 6.51pm Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

I spoke today to someone who knows Dougie quite well. Apparently Dougie is fuming that Franca is being given very little opportunity to impress on the pitch. I don’t know how much truth is in it, but just reporting as told.

 

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View redshift's Profile redshift Flag Toronto 28 Dec 23 6.53pm Send a Private Message to redshift Add redshift as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

The big difference between this and the Vieira situation is that under him, we looked like we could never win a game. The performances became totally unacceptable.
I think that only in the Bournemouth game did we perform anything like that badly.

The trouble is that no one can predict the outcome of sacking Roy.
I'd be happier to see new blood at the club in January than a change of manager, especially since the current available options are not very appealing.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (28 Dec 2023 11.53am)


I understand where you are coming from but you have to know that even if we got new blood in January they would just sit on the bench for the rest of the year whilst Roy continued to play his old, tired, favourite warhorses.

We can't predict the outcome of keeping Roy in place either but we can take a measured guess given past performance this year and that looks dire. So, I'd like to take a flyer and try to change that, but maybe that's just me.

 


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View AERO's Profile AERO Flag 28 Dec 23 6.56pm Send a Private Message to AERO Add AERO as a friend

Source eritheagle ?

 

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Originally posted by Eaglecoops

I spoke today to someone who knows Dougie quite well. Apparently Dougie is fuming that Franca is being given very little opportunity to impress on the pitch. I don’t know how much truth is in it, but just reporting as told.

One does get the impression that those at the the top running the club (the board / the manager) are not all pulling in the same direction, all to the detriment of what happens on the pitch.

 

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View Living In Hope's Profile Living In Hope Flag Petersfield 28 Dec 23 7.47pm Send a Private Message to Living In Hope Add Living In Hope as a friend

I think we stand as good a chance of staying up with Roy in charge as with anyone else. But under Roy it will be a question of squeezing out points with ultra-cautious tactics and a completely defensive mindset.

I think we should change manager now because I believe our class players (Johnson, Guehi, Andersen, Doucoure, Eze, Olise) will all want to leave by the end of the season if they continue to play under this stifling regime.

But bless Roy, for the most part he has done the job asked of him.

 

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