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JRW2 Dulwich 09 Mar 24 12.16pm
So a survey of 1800 residents in LTN areas in London and three other large towns/cities has found that 45% of the sample favoured the schemes and 22% opposed. And the Guardian is chortling away at ehat it sees as the opposite result to what the PM was allegedly hoping for. That reaction in my opinion rests on a lazy interpretation of figures which are basically meaningless. Most inhabitants of towns and cities live in residential roads, with main roads chiefly populated by shops, offices, pubs, petrol stations and restaurants. And if people living in thnose roads are offered the chance to speak out against commuters, tradesmen and others dodging along their roads, I guess 90%+ will do so. Certainly I would. Selfish I know, but perfectly understandable. The only surprise to me is that only two-thirds of the (pathetically small) sample were in favour of the LTNs.
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Dulwich 09 Mar 24 12.16pm

So a survey of 1800 residents in LTN areas in London and three other large towns/cities has found that 45% of the sample favoured the schemes and 22% opposed. And the Guardian is chortling away at ehat it sees as the opposite result to what the PM was allegedly hoping for.

That reaction in my opinion rests on a lazy interpretation of figures which are basically meaningless. Most inhabitants of towns and cities live in residential roads, with main roads chiefly populated by shops, offices, pubs, petrol stations and restaurants. And if people living in thnose roads are offered the chance to speak out against commuters, tradesmen and others dodging along their roads, I guess 90%+ will do so. Certainly I would. Selfish I know, but perfectly understandable. The only surprise to me is that only two-thirds of the (pathetically small) sample were in favour of the LTNs.

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Badger11 Beckenham 09 Mar 24 12.30pm
Here's that TFL survey in full: Q1. Please select which option mirrors your feelings for LTNS. A. I think they are great. B. On balance I think they are terrific. c. I wish we had more. d. I love TFL and Mayor Khan . etc. . Z. I'm a racist Brexit voting Jew loving idiot who doesn't like LTNs. One more point
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Beckenham 09 Mar 24 12.30pm

Here's that TFL survey in full:

Q1. Please select which option mirrors your feelings for LTNS.

A. I think they are great.
B. On balance I think they are terrific.
c. I wish we had more.
d. I love TFL and Mayor Khan
. etc.
.
Z. I'm a racist Brexit voting Jew loving idiot who doesn't like LTNs.

One more point

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steeleye20 Croydon 09 Mar 24 1.18pm
This was good reporting as the government tried to cover it up. Sunak & Co. desperate for anything that will improve their polls. But this isn't it.
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Croydon 09 Mar 24 1.18pm

This was good reporting as the government tried to cover it up.

Sunak & Co. desperate for anything that will improve their polls.

But this isn't it.

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cryrst The garden of England 09 Mar 24 2.36pm
Immigrants being removed Tax cuts Woke death DEI gone Stopping terrorist marches This would all help them in the polls Edited by cryrst (09 Mar 2024 7.16pm)
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The garden of England 09 Mar 24 2.36pm

Immigrants being removed
Tax cuts
Woke death
DEI gone
Stopping terrorist marches

This would all help them in the polls

Edited by cryrst (09 Mar 2024 7.16pm)

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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 11 Mar 24 5.40pm
Originally posted by JRW2 So a survey of 1800 residents in LTN areas in London and three other large towns/cities has found that 45% of the sample favoured the schemes and 22% opposed. And the Guardian is chortling away at ehat it sees as the opposite result to what the PM was allegedly hoping for. That reaction in my opinion rests on a lazy interpretation of figures which are basically meaningless. Most inhabitants of towns and cities live in residential roads, with main roads chiefly populated by shops, offices, pubs, petrol stations and restaurants. And if people living in thnose roads are offered the chance to speak out against commuters, tradesmen and others dodging along their roads, I guess 90%+ will do so. Certainly I would. Selfish I know, but perfectly understandable. The only surprise to me is that only two-thirds of the (pathetically small) sample were in favour of the LTNs. Who should they be asking, if not the residents who are most affected by it?
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Originally posted by JRW2

Who should they be asking, if not the residents who are most affected by it?

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Matov 11 Mar 24 6.57pm
I think LTN's are great. Got friends who live in one and it means that all the poor people who used to try and shave a few minutes off their journeys by cutting through now have to sit on the main roads in loads of traffic meaning they have to leave home earlier and then get home later. But these friends can now enjoy a bit more peace and quiet. There is still a bus route that goes down their road (one of those hopper ones) but they are now trying to get that halted as well because apparently they are only used by OAP's and the like. Who have plenty of time on their hands to get the other buses taking them the long way around and if they have to get a couple, then so what? They are not paying for it and it gives them an excuse to be out of their homes. And apparently, it is merely a coincidence that these LTN are in the wealthier parts of the boroughs, almost all Labour by the way. Because otherwise people might assume that LTN's exist by way of making rich peoples lives nicer at the expense of the poor. And Labour are not about that. Edited by Matov (11 Mar 2024 6.57pm) "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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11 Mar 24 6.57pm

I think LTN's are great. Got friends who live in one and it means that all the poor people who used to try and shave a few minutes off their journeys by cutting through now have to sit on the main roads in loads of traffic meaning they have to leave home earlier and then get home later.

But these friends can now enjoy a bit more peace and quiet. There is still a bus route that goes down their road (one of those hopper ones) but they are now trying to get that halted as well because apparently they are only used by OAP's and the like. Who have plenty of time on their hands to get the other buses taking them the long way around and if they have to get a couple, then so what? They are not paying for it and it gives them an excuse to be out of their homes.

And apparently, it is merely a coincidence that these LTN are in the wealthier parts of the boroughs, almost all Labour by the way. Because otherwise people might assume that LTN's exist by way of making rich peoples lives nicer at the expense of the poor. And Labour are not about that.

Edited by Matov (11 Mar 2024 6.57pm)

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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