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PatrickA London 29 Oct 23 7.16pm | |
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I've noted from many comments on these forums there is a lot of discontent about our transfer policy e.g no Zaha replacement, no new full backs, no new striker, no loans brought in.
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Brinscalleagle2 Brinscall 29 Oct 23 9.34pm | |
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Roy on the other hand is very definitely short term and is wanting immediate assistance, not players for the future , to help his cause for success. We are witnessing medium term planning by the club with a short term manager hence the disjointed post match comments. I think we all know that Roy was employed to buy time for the club’s medium term recruitment to come to fruition. The key for the future now is not so much the rate of development for the youngsters but the selection of the correct manager to utilise them. Time will tell. COYP
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palace99 New Mills 30 Oct 23 11.45am | |
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i think there is an African club in Jan /Feb 2024. Not sure if they've all qualified but Schlupp, Ayew and Doucoure could all be missing for over 1 month. Makes the lack of transfer activity in the front 3 positions this summer even more bizarre, especially as we already knew the Olise injury was going to keep him out for 3 or 4 months.
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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 30 Oct 23 11.58am | |
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Franca was presumably Textor, whilst so was the sale of O'Brien - which I didn't think either were good value for us. Henderson: sounds like we had him as a target for a while but I don't see the point of two first team goalies in today's football. One will inevitably be unhappy. There were rumours of Johnstone leaving, however. Could have been that. Holding now looks rubbish but we didn't exactly pay much and he wasn't bad for Arsenal.
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Canterbury Palace Whitstable 30 Oct 23 12.03pm | |
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I think our policy has been effective in recent seasons but is also clearly flawed and muddled in some aspects. Signing Henderson for £20m may be seen as good value by the club but the problem is that the longer he doesn't play (ignoring the fact that he's now injured), that value will depreciate. In order for the value to maintain or increase, he's got to play and play well. Johnstone has been very good for us since joining and it would have been harsh to drop him regardless when he hasn't done a lot wrong so far. Someone like Holding joining for £5m makes more sense as, even if he doesn't play until one of the other CBs leave, that's a relatively small fee. £20m, for us, isn't, Franca is a curious one. Roy started on after the game on Friday about how 'some people' are expecting unrealistic things from him. Not sure if he was referencing the fans by that, who I actually think have been very patient and haven't overhyped him too much, but Roy needs to consider the significance of us paying £25m for the lad. How many times have we ever paid more than that for a player? Once or twice maybe? By the fact that he is one of our biggest signings or all time, he is automatically going to have pressure on him to deliver. If he'd gone into Chelsea's squad or similar, where £25m is really just a throwaway fee and there's so much competition that he could take his time, the pressure in some ways would be less. For us, a £25m player has to do well and reasonably quickly. It's all well and good us looking for bargains when they appear but that will all be for nothing if we get relegated and, although I am confident that won't happen this season, we do have some glaring holes in our squad that we can't keep ignoring forever or it will eventually cost us. Ultimately we need a new starting right back with Ward dropping to reserve and Clyne / Ferguson off the wage bill. We need left back competition for Mitchell who I remain unconvinced by. We need a specialist left winger. And we need a striker to replace Mateta and give Eduoard competition. Currently the core of our side, the central players, are being let down by the wide players in defence and midfield being of a lower standard and as soon as the likes of Olise get injured and Zaha leaves, you see the level drop. The last two games we've seen Mitchell and then Ward targeted and have shockers while Ayew, who a year or so ago nobody wanted in the side, is currently trying to do the job of about 3 men. I completely support the club being shrewd and picking up bargains but it has to be balanced with filling glaring holes too and the latter needs to take priority.
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Putitout Oxford 30 Oct 23 1.15pm | |
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Money is and has been a problem for Palace, and getting a right balance out of our circumstance will never be easy, or possibly good enough to be much more than we have been. Edited by Putitout (30 Oct 2023 1.16pm)
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taylors lovechild 30 Oct 23 1.21pm | |
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I read that it was Freedman pushing for Franca and the club claimed they had been tracking him for a while. It's one of those deals where in a few years time we could be tucking away £70+ million in the bank as he heads off to Barcelona/Real, or we could be shipping him out on loan to the Portuguese second division. For the first team we've seen a cameo against Newcastle where he looked highly promising, and one on Friday where he didn't. The only way he is going to settle is to play so we may all just need to be patient and let him make mistakes and find his feet. Henderson is the weird one. If he's fit then £20m is actually a good price for a keeper yet to hit his prime, an England international and with possibly another decade of football ahead of him. But rumours are Forest shied away due to fitness concerns, so what does that say about us? Although cheap the Holding deal made no sense to me. It almost felt like a token gesture for Roy. Here you go buddy, a solid pro. We know you like those.
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MrRobbo Chaldon 30 Oct 23 3.38pm | |
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There were rumours of Johnstone having a release clause, so I can only imagine the board thought he'd be off. And ending the window with no first team keeper wasn't an option. Johnstone didnt end up leaving and then we end up with 2. I'm fine with the Franca gamble, but I don't see why we couldn't have got a loan in as well e.g. Jack Harrison Would have given us an immediate Wilf replacement, and some time for Franca to get used to England.
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Lanzo-Ad Lanzarote 30 Oct 23 4.57pm | |
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Originally posted by Canterbury Palace
I think our policy has been effective in recent seasons but is also clearly flawed and muddled in some aspects. Signing Henderson for £20m may be seen as good value by the club but the problem is that the longer he doesn't play (ignoring the fact that he's now injured), that value will depreciate. In order for the value to maintain or increase, he's got to play and play well. Johnstone has been very good for us since joining and it would have been harsh to drop him regardless when he hasn't done a lot wrong so far. Someone like Holding joining for £5m makes more sense as, even if he doesn't play until one of the other CBs leave, that's a relatively small fee. £20m, for us, isn't, Franca is a curious one. Roy started on after the game on Friday about how 'some people' are expecting unrealistic things from him. Not sure if he was referencing the fans by that, who I actually think have been very patient and haven't overhyped him too much, but Roy needs to consider the significance of us paying £25m for the lad. How many times have we ever paid more than that for a player? Once or twice maybe? By the fact that he is one of our biggest signings or all time, he is automatically going to have pressure on him to deliver. If he'd gone into Chelsea's squad or similar, where £25m is really just a throwaway fee and there's so much competition that he could take his time, the pressure in some ways would be less. For us, a £25m player has to do well and reasonably quickly. It's all well and good us looking for bargains when they appear but that will all be for nothing if we get relegated and, although I am confident that won't happen this season, we do have some glaring holes in our squad that we can't keep ignoring forever or it will eventually cost us. Ultimately we need a new starting right back with Ward dropping to reserve and Clyne / Ferguson off the wage bill. We need left back competition for Mitchell who I remain unconvinced by. We need a specialist left winger. And we need a striker to replace Mateta and give Eduoard competition. Currently the core of our side, the central players, are being let down by the wide players in defence and midfield being of a lower standard and as soon as the likes of Olise get injured and Zaha leaves, you see the level drop. The last two games we've seen Mitchell and then Ward targeted and have shockers while Ayew, who a year or so ago nobody wanted in the side, is currently trying to do the job of about 3 men. I completely support the club being shrewd and picking up bargains but it has to be balanced with filling glaring holes too and the latter needs to take priority. We payed 17m not 25m, the add ons are never going to happen.
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eritheagle Erith 30 Oct 23 5.02pm | |
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Originally posted by MrRobbo
There were rumours of Johnstone having a release clause, so I can only imagine the board thought he'd be off. And ending the window with no first team keeper wasn't an option. Johnstone didnt end up leaving and then we end up with 2. I'm fine with the Franca gamble, but I don't see why we couldn't have got a loan in as well e.g. Jack Harrison Would have given us an immediate Wilf replacement, and some time for Franca to get used to England. According to Johnstone Roy reassured him that he was he’s no.1
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Uphill Bedford 30 Oct 23 5.04pm | |
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The transfer policy (if we can call it that) is vexing. For two years we have been crying out for new players to fill 3 main positions: No.2 is a most difficult position to fill, decent candidates are like gold dust. But for Nos 1 and 3 there is a wider choice. But what happens? We pay up to £20 million for an injury prone keeper. We renew Ferguson's contract, seemingly out of pity for a I guess the extravagances of the Sahko and Benteke transfers have to some extent been learned but then they buy an injury stricken keeper for circa £20 million who lasted all of 20 minutes on his only appearance. We are one of the lowest goal scorers and leak goals down both wings yet nothing so far has been done to address these problems. There is no substitute for talent but all we offer is spirit and endeavour. Buying players is fraught with difficulty and disappointment but that is no excuse for the failure to get the players in the positions we desperately need. Roy is holding the fort until the cavalry (Olise and Eze) eventually arrive. In the meantime our chances of a result against Burnley don't look great.
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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 30 Oct 23 5.05pm | |
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Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad
We payed 17m not 25m, the add ons are never going to happen. He has to be nominated for the Ballon D'Or was one add on that was reported originally. I can just about remember Ronaldo and Messi playing at a similar age and can say they were a bit raw, but undoubtedly much better than Franca. I wonder what the others are, I believe something about The Champions League (I honestly think winning it) was one. There are two we look relatively unlikely to pay. However, should we have to pay them, I'm pretty sure we'd only be too happy to do it.
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