Seems to be a genuine crisis taking hold.

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Seen a claim from friends in the Met that out of the standard 15 Armed Response Units that are meant to be on the streets, last night there were 2.

And the same might be true tonight. Also how they are begging Instructors to take over but they are proving reluctant.

The Met is not a happy place at the moment.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

I think somebody needs to explain to me why the policeman is being charged with murder which implies a predetermined plan to shoot the guy. Surely manslaughter is the appropriate charge. Any legal bods out there who can explain for me?

hats off to palace, they were always gonna be louder, and hate to say it but they were impressive ALL bouncing and singing.

The explanation maybe that BLM probably demanded a prosecution or there will be trouble!
The bits I read of the case are that the guy was in a car allegedly involved in a firearm incident the night before. Possibly was asked to get out of the car and made a movement that may have looked suspicious. The cop may be guilty or just doing his job but another trial by media. The army are going to step in. Now they are trained killers so might well be a little trigger happy.

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If the decision on a charge was made post the family seeing the body cam film then that’s just a bit strange. Surely his CO should have made the decision on if there was wrongdoing. The issue i see is two ply. Firstly is this setting a precedent for who determines the outcome of plod using there gun and secondly every terrorist, armed robber and gun rotting drug dealer are going to be treating our streets like the Wild West. This should have been a closed news item until the outcome of the court case.

but surely Mark Duggan was a Saint ? Notwithstanding the stories of him travelling around North London with a firearm.

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Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

I've seen a couple of videos of gun deaths that were effectively 'murder' by cop.....more often than not it's incompetence in stressful situations rather than deliberate....A situation where the cop wasn't calm enough under pressure to be trusted with a firearm.

I haven't seen what happened here.....I don't know it might be one of those cases but I suspect that it's more likely it wasn't clear cut.

In fifty fifty edge cases they have to find for the Police otherwise you won't have any armed officers.

The army will also have issues being used as Police if they are judged the same way......because outside of the military Police they aren't Police.

I must admit the new Met Commissionairer has said some sensible things on this and looks like someone who is actually trying to Police London rather than please politicians.

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