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Hrolf The Ganger 26 Jul 23 9.44pm
[Link] I bet all this comes as a bit of a shock to all those who laughed about little green men all these years. Something is happening and it's real.
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I bet all this comes as a bit of a shock to all those who laughed about little green men all these years.

Something is happening and it's real.

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Hrolf The Ganger 26 Jul 23 10.11pm
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Badger11 Beckenham 26 Jul 23 10.14pm
Nothing new here, allegations without any evidence. There is an enormous amount of money to be made on the UFO conspiracy circuit so it is just possible that these witnesses are positioning themselves for that. Until we actually see this alien technology it's just allegations. The US government has denied them but the conspiracy theorists will say of course you do. Edited by Badger11 (26 Jul 2023 10.15pm) One more point
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Beckenham 26 Jul 23 10.14pm

Nothing new here, allegations without any evidence.

There is an enormous amount of money to be made on the UFO conspiracy circuit so it is just possible that these witnesses are positioning themselves for that.

Until we actually see this alien technology it's just allegations.

The US government has denied them but the conspiracy theorists will say of course you do.

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One more point

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Mr Palaceman 27 Jul 23 12.21am
For me, this was one of the best documentaries on the subject. Makes the most sense imho. Nick Cook at his best. Channel 4, 2005. [Link] "You can lead a horse to water but a pencil must be lead" Stan Laurel
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27 Jul 23 12.21am

For me, this was one of the best documentaries on the subject. Makes the most sense imho. Nick Cook at his best. Channel 4, 2005.

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"You can lead a horse to water but a pencil must be lead"

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Badger11 Beckenham 27 Jul 23 7.38am
Sorry don't have time to watch that. I did see a documentary where the reporter investigated the careers of various well know UFO "researchers" rather then if UFO's exist. He came to the conclusion that these people were making a lot of money so people should bear that in mind when they see the "evidence", these people are not impartial, they maybe telling the truth but their careers depend on keeping the story going. One more point
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Beckenham 27 Jul 23 7.38am

Sorry don't have time to watch that.

I did see a documentary where the reporter investigated the careers of various well know UFO "researchers" rather then if UFO's exist.

He came to the conclusion that these people were making a lot of money so people should bear that in mind when they see the "evidence", these people are not impartial, they maybe telling the truth but their careers depend on keeping the story going.

One more point

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Hrolf The Ganger 27 Jul 23 8.19am
It is frustrating that no one ever just produces an alien spacecraft or a body, but would the sceptics believe it even if they did? The problem here is that some people see belief or disbelief in this stuff as a measure of their intelligence. Their egos can't allow them to entertain the idea. Certainly, there is a lot of money to be made on the UFO circuit these days, but that does not mean it's not a real phenomenon. It also doesn't mean that all claims are true. Ultimately, I think that one has to have an experience before they start to believe. Without personal experience, one is stuck with what they see on the TV or in books. I would be interested to hear how naysayers explain away the Navy footage taken from fighter jets, or why this subject has got to congress if it has no substance. I'd have thought that many hundreds of reports by pilots and military personnel deserves serious investigation. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (27 Jul 2023 8.20am)
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27 Jul 23 8.19am

It is frustrating that no one ever just produces an alien spacecraft or a body, but would the sceptics believe it even if they did?

The problem here is that some people see belief or disbelief in this stuff as a measure of their intelligence. Their egos can't allow them to entertain the idea.

Certainly, there is a lot of money to be made on the UFO circuit these days, but that does not mean it's not a real phenomenon. It also doesn't mean that all claims are true.

Ultimately, I think that one has to have an experience before they start to believe. Without personal experience, one is stuck with what they see on the TV or in books.

I would be interested to hear how naysayers explain away the Navy footage taken from fighter jets, or why this subject has got to congress if it has no substance.

I'd have thought that many hundreds of reports by pilots and military personnel deserves serious investigation.

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georgenorman 27 Jul 23 8.44am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger It is frustrating that no one ever just produces an alien spacecraft or a body, but would the sceptics believe it even if they did? The problem here is that some people see belief or disbelief in this stuff as a measure of their intelligence. Their egos can't allow them to entertain the idea. Certainly, there is a lot of money to be made on the UFO circuit these days, but that does not mean it's not a real phenomenon. It also doesn't mean that all claims are true. Ultimately, I think that one has to have an experience before they start to believe. Without personal experience, one is stuck with what they see on the TV or in books. I would be interested to hear how naysayers explain away the Navy footage taken from fighter jets, or why this subject has got to congress if it has no substance. I'd have thought that many hundreds of reports by pilots and military personnel deserves serious investigation. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (27 Jul 2023 8.20am) You could say the same about ghosts.
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27 Jul 23 8.44am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

It is frustrating that no one ever just produces an alien spacecraft or a body, but would the sceptics believe it even if they did?

The problem here is that some people see belief or disbelief in this stuff as a measure of their intelligence. Their egos can't allow them to entertain the idea.

Certainly, there is a lot of money to be made on the UFO circuit these days, but that does not mean it's not a real phenomenon. It also doesn't mean that all claims are true.

Ultimately, I think that one has to have an experience before they start to believe. Without personal experience, one is stuck with what they see on the TV or in books.

I would be interested to hear how naysayers explain away the Navy footage taken from fighter jets, or why this subject has got to congress if it has no substance.

I'd have thought that many hundreds of reports by pilots and military personnel deserves serious investigation.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (27 Jul 2023 8.20am)

You could say the same about ghosts.

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Hrolf The Ganger 27 Jul 23 9.01am
Originally posted by georgenorman You could say the same about ghosts. I have always been very sceptical about ghosts because they have always been associated with charlatans and because my belief system doesn't have much room for an afterlife. That said, some people I know have experienced some very strange stuff that is hard to explain. What does it mean? I have no idea. With UFOs, there is an equal chance that aliens are visiting or not. It is a bit like Schrödinger cat. We have no way of knowing until we actually know. We can say that the possibility exists, given that the laws of physics allows for it.
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27 Jul 23 9.01am

Originally posted by georgenorman

You could say the same about ghosts.

I have always been very sceptical about ghosts because they have always been associated with charlatans and because my belief system doesn't have much room for an afterlife.
That said, some people I know have experienced some very strange stuff that is hard to explain.

What does it mean? I have no idea.

With UFOs, there is an equal chance that aliens are visiting or not.
It is a bit like Schrödinger cat. We have no way of knowing until we actually know.
We can say that the possibility exists, given that the laws of physics allows for it.

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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 27 Jul 23 9.09am
Like the Loch Ness Monster Like the Yeti and Ghosts Like trying to prove 'facts' on an internet forum. There will always be doubt, because humans are hugely illogical when it comes to romantic ideas I disengage, I turn the page.
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Like the Loch Ness Monster
Like the Yeti and Ghosts
Like trying to prove 'facts' on an internet forum.
There will always be doubt, because humans are hugely illogical when it comes to romantic ideas

I disengage, I turn the page.

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Matov 27 Jul 23 9.10am
People need to understand that the people being interviewed in Congress yesterday were not kooks. They have witnessed UAP's. Seen the radar returns. Filmed them. These are professionals whose word would be accepted as gospel when it comes to their areas of expertise in any court in the world. The definition of expert witnesses. Are there lots of people out there who claim to have been abducted after necking 9 pints of scrumpy and dropping a couple of tabs of LSD? Absolutely. But these are not those folks. The existence of UAP's penetrating controlled airspace and displaying manoeuvring ability that goes beyond what our conventional understanding of physics are is an undisputed fact. Reported in mainstream media. All that remains are the questions around where from and how. But they are here. Edited by Matov (27 Jul 2023 9.11am) "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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27 Jul 23 9.10am

People need to understand that the people being interviewed in Congress yesterday were not kooks.

They have witnessed UAP's. Seen the radar returns. Filmed them. These are professionals whose word would be accepted as gospel when it comes to their areas of expertise in any court in the world. The definition of expert witnesses.

Are there lots of people out there who claim to have been abducted after necking 9 pints of scrumpy and dropping a couple of tabs of LSD? Absolutely.

But these are not those folks.

The existence of UAP's penetrating controlled airspace and displaying manoeuvring ability that goes beyond what our conventional understanding of physics are is an undisputed fact. Reported in mainstream media.

All that remains are the questions around where from and how. But they are here.

Edited by Matov (27 Jul 2023 9.11am)

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 27 Jul 23 9.26am
A good perspective Matov. I have relatives who were RAF flightcrew in the 1960s and 1970's. There are a few accounts in their flight log books about UFO/UAP encounters. Either on radar, or visual. These might be explained by the cold war activities between East and West. The crew statements are purely factual, an give no interpretation. "unidentified aircraft spotted at,....moving at a speed estimated to be up to Mach5." and that type of thing Having an interest in space, I find it difficult to believe that UAPs would come from another planet and not be spotted/detected before they even got within a million miles of earth. So although UAP's are a definite phenomenon, they are almost certainly of human origin. Just my opinion. And I thoroughly enjoyed watching Close Encounters of the Third Kind last week Edited by Forest Hillbilly (27 Jul 2023 9.28am) I disengage, I turn the page.
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in a hidey-hole 27 Jul 23 9.26am

A good perspective Matov. I have relatives who were RAF flightcrew in the 1960s and 1970's. There are a few accounts in their flight log books about UFO/UAP encounters. Either on radar, or visual.
These might be explained by the cold war activities between East and West. The crew statements are purely factual, an give no interpretation. "unidentified aircraft spotted at,....moving at a speed estimated to be up to Mach5." and that type of thing

Having an interest in space, I find it difficult to believe that UAPs would come from another planet and not be spotted/detected before they even got within a million miles of earth.

So although UAP's are a definite phenomenon, they are almost certainly of human origin. Just my opinion.

And I thoroughly enjoyed watching Close Encounters of the Third Kind last week

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (27 Jul 2023 9.28am)

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Hrolf The Ganger 27 Jul 23 9.57am
Originally posted by Matov People need to understand that the people being interviewed in Congress yesterday were not kooks. They have witnessed UAP's. Seen the radar returns. Filmed them. These are professionals whose word would be accepted as gospel when it comes to their areas of expertise in any court in the world. The definition of expert witnesses. Are there lots of people out there who claim to have been abducted after necking 9 pints of scrumpy and dropping a couple of tabs of LSD? Absolutely. But these are not those folks. The existence of UAP's penetrating controlled airspace and displaying manoeuvring ability that goes beyond what our conventional understanding of physics are is an undisputed fact. Reported in mainstream media. All that remains are the questions around where from and how. But they are here. Edited by Matov (27 Jul 2023 9.11am) Finally. Someone who gets the significance of this development. Mention UFOs and you get Ghosts and the Loch Ness Monster. No wonder it's so easy to cover it up... Whatever it is.
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27 Jul 23 9.57am

Originally posted by Matov

People need to understand that the people being interviewed in Congress yesterday were not kooks.

Are there lots of people out there who claim to have been abducted after necking 9 pints of scrumpy and dropping a couple of tabs of LSD? Absolutely.

But these are not those folks.

All that remains are the questions around where from and how. But they are here.

Edited by Matov (27 Jul 2023 9.11am)

Finally. Someone who gets the significance of this development.

Mention UFOs and you get Ghosts and the Loch Ness Monster.

No wonder it's so easy to cover it up... Whatever it is.

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