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 HKOwen  Hong Kong 22 May 23 11.26pm |
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These numbers becoming a centre piece of the immigration discussion. This goes back to the explosion in the number of universities and " colleges " under Blair when everyone was entitled to a degree no matter how spurious and useless. A large number of " fake " colleges were set up specifically to sell places to wannabe migrants who could then bring family members, mostly from the sub continent. Bona fide students cannot work enough hours a week to support a family so guess what happened. The number of high end students who come into the UK and stay to contribute in research is not known but likely a small percentage.
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Badger11  Beckenham 23 May 23 9.09am |
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I thought I read that students could bring their families if this is true I suspect this is just a great way to get into the country legally.
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Forest Hillbilly  in a hidey-hole 23 May 23 10.11am |
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Lots of loopholes for those that want to exploit 'student' status. On the flip side, 'proper' British Uni' courses sold to overseas countries at vastly inflated prices, brings a lot of welcome income to universities that are struggling with finance.
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| Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 23 May 23 10.12am |
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Of course there are many overseas students who are nothing more than trafficked, and exploited ,...
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 23 May 23 10.39am |
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Originally posted by Badger11
I thought I read that students could bring their families if this is true I suspect this is just a great way to get into the country legally. Only postgrad and above, or government-sponsored, students can bring their families. The bogus colleges that exploited the system have largely been exposed and closed down. Whilst rooting out any remaining abuse is important we should not be so obsessed with it that we ignore the good. The Universities depend on the income they receive from overseas students and we should be proud that so many want to come here to study as it's a huge credit to the quality education available. Studying at a top University in English, in England, still bestows respect around the world. It also builds links which can last a lifetime. One of my employers, now in the top 5 wealthiest people in Switzerland, studied at Cambridge. When he wanted to build a new research facility where did he site it? In Cambridge, where he knew the work is outstanding.
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| HKOwen Hong Kong 23 May 23 11.16am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Only postgrad and above, or government-sponsored, students can bring their families. The bogus colleges that exploited the system have largely been exposed and closed down. Whilst rooting out any remaining abuse is important we should not be so obsessed with it that we ignore the good. The Universities depend on the income they receive from overseas students and we should be proud that so many want to come here to study as it's a huge credit to the quality education available. Studying at a top University in English, in England, still bestows respect around the world. It also builds links which can last a lifetime. One of my employers, now in the top 5 wealthiest people in Switzerland, studied at Cambridge. When he wanted to build a new research facility where did he site it? In Cambridge, where he knew the work is outstanding. Rafaela Aponte-Diamant: 31.3 billion which one of these?
The international student plus dependent population equivalent to the population of Manchester, Liverpool,Bradford etc. Unis have become less stringent on entry requirements for all international students because a situation has been created where there are too many universities for UK requirements and many need overseas fees to survive so it's a racket to a great extent now
Edited by HKOwen (23 May 2023 11.26am)
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| Badger11 Beckenham 23 May 23 1.48pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Only postgrad and above, or government-sponsored, students can bring their families. The bogus colleges that exploited the system have largely been exposed and closed down. Whilst rooting out any remaining abuse is important we should not be so obsessed with it that we ignore the good. The Universities depend on the income they receive from overseas students and we should be proud that so many want to come here to study as it's a huge credit to the quality education available. Studying at a top University in English, in England, still bestows respect around the world. It also builds links which can last a lifetime. One of my employers, now in the top 5 wealthiest people in Switzerland, studied at Cambridge. When he wanted to build a new research facility where did he site it? In Cambridge, where he knew the work is outstanding. Whatever the rules the government is tightening them up for dependents, now where that's stable door.
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Nicholas91  The Democratic Republic of Kent 23 May 23 2.18pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Only postgrad and above, or government-sponsored, students can bring their families. The bogus colleges that exploited the system have largely been exposed and closed down. Whilst rooting out any remaining abuse is important we should not be so obsessed with it that we ignore the good. The Universities depend on the income they receive from overseas students and we should be proud that so many want to come here to study as it's a huge credit to the quality education available. Studying at a top University in English, in England, still bestows respect around the world. It also builds links which can last a lifetime. One of my employers, now in the top 5 wealthiest people in Switzerland, studied at Cambridge. When he wanted to build a new research facility where did he site it? In Cambridge, where he knew the work is outstanding. I think this is the paradox. The system does enable the UK to attract talent from worldwide and subsequently create lasting, beneficial relationships at the very least if not profit from it. Like any system of course it is open to skullduggery and misuse so I have no doubt there is exploitation which would support anti-immigration arguments. I would be of the opinion that keeping it in existence whilst tightening up regulation to mitigate if not eradicate the exploitation of flaws is a better course of action than scrutinising it to such a degree it becomes stifled by legislation and bureaucracy, if not halted altogether. Therefore whilst the systems' state may be fair game to criticise I don't think the whole concept needs to suffer on any greater scale. Not a well informed opinion at all, just a flimsily chucked 2 cents from me!
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| footythoughts Beckenham 23 May 23 2.46pm |
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly
Lots of loopholes for those that want to exploit 'student' status. On the flip side, 'proper' British Uni' courses sold to overseas countries at vastly inflated prices, brings a lot of welcome income to universities that are struggling with finance. Sounds like fair assessment. If the system is or can be properly policed and it's from legit universities, then it's certainly a positive. If it's too easy to exploit, then that is definitely an issue that needs to be solves rather than turning a blind eye to it.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 23 May 23 4.26pm |
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Originally posted by HKOwen
Rafaela Aponte-Diamant: 31.3 billion which one of these?
The international student plus dependent population equivalent to the population of Manchester, Liverpool,Bradford etc. Unis have become less stringent on entry requirements for all international students because a situation has been created where there are too many universities for UK requirements and many need overseas fees to survive so it's a racket to a great extent now
Edited by HKOwen (23 May 2023 11.26am) You do know that obtaining the visa is time-consuming and very expensive? You do know they aren't allowed to work? You do know that their visa will be marked "no access to public funds", so no benefits? You do know that on top of the visa fees they must pay an NHS surcharge to cover their assumed costs for the NHS? Assuming each student bringing dependents brings an average of 2, that means more than 80% don't. Those that do are hardly a drain on our resources, are they? They come to keep families together and most must be sponsored in some way.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 23 May 23 4.29pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Whatever the rules the government is tightening them up for dependents, now where that's stable door. I suspect that's Braverman doing a little window dressing to keep the right on her side.
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| HKOwen Hong Kong 23 May 23 10.45pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
You do know that obtaining the visa is time-consuming and very expensive? You do know they aren't allowed to work? You do know that their visa will be marked "no access to public funds", so no benefits? You do know that on top of the visa fees they must pay an NHS surcharge to cover their assumed costs for the NHS? Assuming each student bringing dependents brings an average of 2, that means more than 80% don't. Those that do are hardly a drain on our resources, are they? They come to keep families together and most must be sponsored in some way. So which one of these people was your employer previously? None of them went to Cambridge if that helps
which one of these?
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