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Gribbo Flag Bromley 17 Apr 23 7.41pm Send a Private Message to Gribbo Add Gribbo as a friend

Michael linked with a big move to Champions League Arsenal next season - comes straight out with a big no, not interested.

Wilf and/or his people agitating for a move every summer.

Big difference in attitude, commitment to the club and keeping the fans onside. Goes up in my estimation with every passing game.

 

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Teddy Eagle Flag 17 Apr 23 7.52pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Gribbo

Michael linked with a big move to Champions League Arsenal next season - comes straight out with a big no, not interested.

Wilf and/or his people agitating for a move every summer.

Big difference in attitude, commitment to the club and keeping the fans onside. Goes up in my estimation with every passing game.

Nice to see. He doesn't seem like the average player - as others have pointed out he marches to a different beat.

 

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doombear Flag Too far from Selhurst Park 17 Apr 23 10.04pm Send a Private Message to doombear Add doombear as a friend

Originally posted by Gribbo

Michael linked with a big move to Champions League Arsenal next season - comes straight out with a big no, not interested.

Wilf and/or his people agitating for a move every summer.

Big difference in attitude, commitment to the club and keeping the fans onside. Goes up in my estimation with every passing game.


He's young and just enjoys playing football. He knows his will be one of the first names on sheet if he stays with us rather than a bench warmer at one of the Big 6.

 

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sprites Flag Auckland 18 Apr 23 12.50am Send a Private Message to sprites Add sprites as a friend

Will probably go on to have a far better career than Wilf too. Arguably slightly less natural talent, but a much better attitude.

 

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Davepalace707 Flag Northumberland 18 Apr 23 7.24am Send a Private Message to Davepalace707 Add Davepalace707 as a friend

Originally posted by sprites

Will probably go on to have a far better career than Wilf too. Arguably slightly less natural talent, but a much better attitude.

Whatever else transpires this summer it will be nice not to have everything hanging on the ten-year circus that has been whether Wilf stays or goes

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 18 Apr 23 10.29am Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

The difference between Wilf and Olise is that the latter knows how to cross the ball.

Wilf is great going past people, but his final ball has often held us back.

Wilf will do what he wants in the summer but if we want entertaining football and PL status, we must keep the likes of Michael Olise.
Unfortunately, fair play rules and our lack of income might mean that we have to sell a big player from time to time.

I hate to see that happen. For me, football is all about what is happening on the pitch. That is what we pay money for.

 

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Painter Flag Croydon 18 Apr 23 10.34am Send a Private Message to Painter Add Painter as a friend

Originally posted by Gribbo

Michael linked with a big move to Champions League Arsenal next season - comes straight out with a big no, not interested.

Wilf and/or his people agitating for a move every summer.

Big difference in attitude, commitment to the club and keeping the fans onside. Goes up in my estimation with every passing game.

Do you really believe, what you read in the media, most of it is just made up. It’s a nothing article, Arsenal probably haven’t made any contact at all.

 

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Foxy0208 Flag Blackpool 18 Apr 23 10.36am Send a Private Message to Foxy0208 Add Foxy0208 as a friend

Arsenal fans will never forgive him for not gratefully rushing off to join them!!

They are still complaining that we had no right to sack the legend that is Vieira so this will be the final straw for them.

Looking at the way they are bottling the PL they should probably be concentrating on whats going wrong at their own club.

 


Some people think football is a matter of life and death. I don't like that attitude. I can assure them it is much more serious than that.

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silvertop Flag Portishead 18 Apr 23 10.38am Send a Private Message to silvertop Add silvertop as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

The difference between Wilf and Olise is that the latter knows how to cross the ball.

Wilf is great going past people, but his final ball has often held us back.

Wilf will do what he wants in the summer but if we want entertaining football and PL status, we must keep the likes of Michael Olise.
Unfortunately, fair play rules and our lack of income might mean that we have to sell a big player from time to time.

I hate to see that happen. For me, football is all about what is happening on the pitch. That is what we pay money for.

But the former knows how to finish. One aspect of Olise's game that needs work.

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 18 Apr 23 10.48am Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by silvertop

But the former knows how to finish. One aspect of Olise's game that needs work.

He's not the greatest finisher, but our recent strikers make him look good.
As I have said before. I'd try to keep Wilf till he has grey hair, but one of the reasons why he is not playing for Real Madrid or the like is that he has flaws in his game.
Even so, he is still arguably our most influential player ever. He has kept us in this division, make no mistake.

 

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Mwncisee Flag Middlesbrough 18 Apr 23 11.16am Send a Private Message to Mwncisee Add Mwncisee as a friend

For years Wilf's end product, either cross or finish was poor. Was one of the most frustrating things about his play. He could beat his man but then not do anything with it. To be fair to Wilf it was an element of his play he worked o and got much better with.

 

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TheBigToePunt Flag 18 Apr 23 12.06pm Send a Private Message to TheBigToePunt Add TheBigToePunt as a friend

One difference between them is what they achieved by the age of 21.

Olise has looked a promising player in the top flight for some 18 months now, but only very recently showed any signs of being a consistent matchwinner. He has generally disappeared more than he has turned up, and whilst that is perfectly normal and natural, the club is not (and cannot yet be) built around Olise as an outstanding individual.

At 21, Zaha was accustomed to carrying Palace. He had torn the championship to shreds, and done probably more than any other individual to get the club promoted.

When he came back, Zaha (for a number of years) certainly did more than anyone else to keep us up. He took personal responsibility for results, and that's a totally different level of expectation and responsibility from the one Olise has experienced. We asked Wilf to carry the team, and he did. How many have done that? Outside of Gerrard at Liverpool or Le Tissier at Southampton, I can't think of any top-flight side to be so dependent on one player.

In terms of comparing attitudes, I get that Zaha can increasingly frustrate. He has been a big fish in a small pond for too long, and that has given him some bad habits. He holds the ball far too long and kills counterattacks. He doesn't bust a gut to defend. He thinks only of scoring individual goals when he gets the ball.

At the same time, we have asked him to win games by himself for so long that what else should we expect? I wouldn't take any of the above to be evidence of a bad attitude. Let's not forget, whilst we would not have got promoted without him, he wasn't even our player any more at the time. He had his own place in the top flight secured already, but rather than see out his loan spell at half-speed, go through the motions and avoid injury, he flew into the challenge. He did more than anyone to get us up when he was up already. I think that gets overlooked a bit when people talk about 'attitude'.

In the end, he came back because he wanted to play. How many players just sit in the stands and pick up their money? Wilf didn't. He walked away from Man United to play the game.

Olise is a different story. Whatever he says about not wanting to move, there is no way he will end up doing the number of games Zaha has, He will be expecting to move on in the next two years or so.

As a player, the two are very different. Olise can dribble, but he sees (and plays) passes. We will see more of that if he gets decent movement around him (like Eze's run for the third goal at Leeds). I am looking forward to that development, but he will never get the crowd on their feet in the way Wilf used to. In the first half of his career when he played out on the wing, Wilf was the most exciting player I've ever seen in a Palace shirt. Whether Championship or premier league, how often do you see seasoned professionals so desperately failing to contain an irrepressible force of nature like that? We won't see the likes of Zaha again. The roar that would go up when he got the ball isn't one Olise has generated yet.

It is time for Wilf to go, no doubt about it. He needs to have his last shot at the big time and not carry a whole club every time he plays. We need to move past depending on him, and in turn, develop a different style of team play. I am looking forward to a team built around, but not dependent upon, Olise and Eze because they are such good footballers. We will play better football with them to the fore (and hopefully at least one decent striker), but the idea that either player can be compared with Wilf just doesn't stack up for me.

Edited by TheBigToePunt (18 Apr 2023 12.12pm)

 

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