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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 08 Apr 23 11.32am
(i thought there was a thread on this already, but can't find it) China's new military manoeuvres are quite provocative and signal an intent. What will the US and NATO do ? "China's military has begun rehearsing the encirclement of Taiwan during three days of military drills. Beijing - which views Taiwan as a breakaway province of China - called the operation a "stern warning" to the island's government. The exercises began hours after President Tsai Ing-wen returned from a trip to the United States." (BBC website 8.4.23) [Link] I disengage, I turn the page.
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(i thought there was a thread on this already, but can't find it)

China's new military manoeuvres are quite provocative and signal an intent.
What will the US and NATO do ?

"China's military has begun rehearsing the encirclement of Taiwan during three days of military drills.

Beijing - which views Taiwan as a breakaway province of China - called the operation a "stern warning" to the island's government.

The exercises began hours after President Tsai Ing-wen returned from a trip to the United States." (BBC website 8.4.23)

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Behind Enemy Lines Sussex 08 Apr 23 12.39pm
Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly (i thought there was a thread on this already, but can't find it) China's new military manoeuvres are quite provocative and signal an intent. What will the US and NATO do ? "China's military has begun rehearsing the encirclement of Taiwan during three days of military drills. Beijing - which views Taiwan as a breakaway province of China - called the operation a "stern warning" to the island's government. The exercises began hours after President Tsai Ing-wen returned from a trip to the United States." (BBC website 8.4.23) [Link] This is potentially more troubling than the Ukraine situation. China holds huge amounts of dollars which it could dump onto the market thereby crashing the US currency if the States opposes too strongly any military action by China. A shot doesn’t need to be fired. So, on the basis that China absorbs Taiwan into the mainland, the only real response could be sanctions but seeing as China is the manufacturing centre for the West, more harm could probably be done to ourselves. Taiwan also is the major computer chip manufacturer for the planet, so there is no good news for us in this scenario. hats off to palace, they were always gonna be louder, and hate to say it but they were impressive ALL bouncing and singing.
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

(i thought there was a thread on this already, but can't find it)

China's new military manoeuvres are quite provocative and signal an intent.
What will the US and NATO do ?

"China's military has begun rehearsing the encirclement of Taiwan during three days of military drills.

Beijing - which views Taiwan as a breakaway province of China - called the operation a "stern warning" to the island's government.

The exercises began hours after President Tsai Ing-wen returned from a trip to the United States." (BBC website 8.4.23)

[Link]

This is potentially more troubling than the Ukraine situation. China holds huge amounts of dollars which it could dump onto the market thereby crashing the US currency if the States opposes too strongly any military action by China. A shot doesn’t need to be fired. So, on the basis that China absorbs Taiwan into the mainland, the only real response could be sanctions but seeing as China is the manufacturing centre for the West, more harm could probably be done to ourselves.
Taiwan also is the major computer chip manufacturer for the planet, so there is no good news for us in this scenario.

hats off to palace, they were always gonna be louder, and hate to say it but they were impressive ALL bouncing and singing.

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PalazioVecchio south pole 08 Apr 23 3.35pm
Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia. Korea Vietnam Falklands Belize Iraq Afghanistan Kuwait Ukraine Yugoslavia ...and now Taiwan ? Edited by PalazioVecchio (08 Apr 2023 3.43pm) Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford
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Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia.

Korea
Vietnam
Falklands
Belize
Iraq
Afghanistan
Kuwait
Ukraine
Yugoslavia

...and now Taiwan ?

Edited by PalazioVecchio (08 Apr 2023 3.43pm)

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 08 Apr 23 5.05pm
Russian power-play with oil and gas has badly hit the West when we tried to protest against the Ukraine invasion. China could soon cripple the West with product sanctions if we try to stop anything with Taiwan. The Russian/China alliance is the new UN security and NATO. Edited by Forest Hillbilly (08 Apr 2023 5.06pm) I disengage, I turn the page.
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Russian power-play with oil and gas has badly hit the West when we tried to protest against the Ukraine invasion. China could soon cripple the West with product sanctions if we try to stop anything with Taiwan. The Russian/China alliance is the new UN security and NATO.

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (08 Apr 2023 5.06pm)

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PalazioVecchio south pole 08 Apr 23 5.51pm
Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly The Russian/China alliance is the new UN security and NATO. Edited by Forest Hillbilly (08 Apr 2023 5.06pm) it's our own fault. We gave them the motivation to dislike us. Planting our flags all over their borders. Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly
The Russian/China alliance is the new UN security and NATO.

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (08 Apr 2023 5.06pm)

it's our own fault. We gave them the motivation to dislike us. Planting our flags all over their borders.

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

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HKOwen Hong Kong 09 Apr 23 7.44am
China has been preparing since 1947. I don't like seeing Taiwan compared to Ukraine, totally different situation. Sending an impotent British aircraft carrier ( the one with no planes ) through the Taiwan Straits is pointless and risible. Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.
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Hong Kong 09 Apr 23 7.44am

China has been preparing since 1947.

I don't like seeing Taiwan compared to Ukraine, totally different situation.

Sending an impotent British aircraft carrier ( the one with no planes ) through the Taiwan Straits is pointless and risible.

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

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Stirlingsays 09 Apr 23 7.52am
Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly Russian power-play with oil and gas has badly hit the West when we tried to protest against the Ukraine invasion. China could soon cripple the West with product sanctions if we try to stop anything with Taiwan. The Russian/China alliance is the new UN security and NATO. Edited by Forest Hillbilly (08 Apr 2023 5.06pm) I think we have done a bit more than 'tried to protest' don't you? Creating a Russian/China alliance has to be just about the most stupid thing ever....almost as historically stupid and idealistically irresponsible as farming your manufacturing out to China in the first place and creating the very monster itself. I'm continually stunned at the level of reward that continually failing western elites receive. If their lifestyle were based upon actual results for, like the guys working jobs at the bottom of society then I somewhat think the risks taken would be far more sensible. But none of them are really driven by the need to work for Joe Public. Whatever their outcomes, their personal rewarded success is guaranteed, independent of just how badly they do.....there is zero accountability at the top and there is a good reason for that. Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Apr 2023 7.58am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (08 Apr 2023 5.06pm)

I think we have done a bit more than 'tried to protest' don't you?

Creating a Russian/China alliance has to be just about the most stupid thing ever....almost as historically stupid and idealistically irresponsible as farming your manufacturing out to China in the first place and creating the very monster itself. I'm continually stunned at the level of reward that continually failing western elites receive.

If their lifestyle were based upon actual results for, like the guys working jobs at the bottom of society then I somewhat think the risks taken would be far more sensible. But none of them are really driven by the need to work for Joe Public.

Whatever their outcomes, their personal rewarded success is guaranteed, independent of just how badly they do.....there is zero accountability at the top and there is a good reason for that.

Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Apr 2023 7.58am)

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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 10 Apr 23 3.38pm
Just watch The Yangtse Incident to see how nefarious those Chinese reds are. Red and Blue Army!
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Just watch The Yangtse Incident to see how nefarious those Chinese reds are.

Red and Blue Army!

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 11 Apr 23 8.34am
I read that the US and the Philippines are about to hold their biggest ever joint military exercises in the South China Sea and that the US have established 4 new bases in Luxon, the island closest to Taiwan, to enable to observe more closely. The US is going through the motions expected of them but would be very unlikely to do too much should China ever feel the need to actually invade Taiwan, rather than just squeeze. I don't believe this is at all similar to Ukraine. China is not ruled by a Putin, desperate to re-establish a Russian Empire. They already possess the soft power in the region, and it's not in their own interests to move to the hard power of war. Time is on the side of the Chinese. Why risk upsetting their own economy when patience will deliver the result anyway? For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 11 Apr 23 8.34am

I read that the US and the Philippines are about to hold their biggest ever joint military exercises in the South China Sea and that the US have established 4 new bases in Luxon, the island closest to Taiwan, to enable to observe more closely.

The US is going through the motions expected of them but would be very unlikely to do too much should China ever feel the need to actually invade Taiwan, rather than just squeeze.

I don't believe this is at all similar to Ukraine. China is not ruled by a Putin, desperate to re-establish a Russian Empire. They already possess the soft power in the region, and it's not in their own interests to move to the hard power of war.

Time is on the side of the Chinese. Why risk upsetting their own economy when patience will deliver the result anyway?

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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georgenorman 11 Apr 23 8.43am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I read that the US and the Philippines are about to hold their biggest ever joint military exercises in the South China Sea and that the US have established 4 new bases in Luxon, the island closest to Taiwan, to enable to observe more closely. The US is going through the motions expected of them but would be very unlikely to do too much should China ever feel the need to actually invade Taiwan, rather than just squeeze. I don't believe this is at all similar to Ukraine. China is not ruled by a Putin, desperate to re-establish a Russian Empire. They already possess the soft power in the region, and it's not in their own interests to move to the hard power of war. Time is on the side of the Chinese. Why risk upsetting their own economy when patience will deliver the result anyway? You going to buy them a coke and sing Kumbaya to them?
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11 Apr 23 8.43am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

The US is going through the motions expected of them but would be very unlikely to do too much should China ever feel the need to actually invade Taiwan, rather than just squeeze.

Time is on the side of the Chinese. Why risk upsetting their own economy when patience will deliver the result anyway?

You going to buy them a coke and sing Kumbaya to them?

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Stirlingsays 11 Apr 23 9.03am
We are having to pay for the rule of irresponsible idiots. This was all said long ago and some people just can't accept that their judgements don't align with observable reality. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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11 Apr 23 9.03am

We are having to pay for the rule of irresponsible idiots.

This was all said long ago and some people just can't accept that their judgements don't align with observable reality.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 11 Apr 23 9.24am
Originally posted by georgenorman You going to buy them a coke and sing Kumbaya to them? No more than I would buy you a beer and discuss politics with you. I would accept that they are just as big a world power in the east as the USA has been in the west. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 11 Apr 23 9.24am

Originally posted by georgenorman

You going to buy them a coke and sing Kumbaya to them?

No more than I would buy you a beer and discuss politics with you.

I would accept that they are just as big a world power in the east as the USA has been in the west.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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