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TheBigToePunt Flag 11 Feb 23 8.24pm Send a Private Message to TheBigToePunt Add TheBigToePunt as a friend

During commentary today the following little nuggets of information were revealed:

1. Palace, as a team, have covered the least distance in the league this season...

[Link]

2. Zaha is the most fouled player in the league, followed by Ayew (the link shows grealish in second place, but Ayew would have moved 'ahead' of him today).

What to make of this?

Regarding mileage, the stats show that there isn't a big difference between the highest and lowest distances, and certainly no correlation between distances run and league position, so perhaps the only significance is whether we are running less this year than last, and whether that is deliberate.

I think the commentator said we were running far more last season (our number of sprints is also down apparently), and attributed the change to the loss of Gallagher. No doubt such an energetic player will be missed of course, but even he can't cover enough ground to significantly alter our total number of miles all by himself.

Regarding how often Zaha and Ayew are 'fouled', they both clearly aim to win free kicks rather than beat the opponent, which is a big part of why our attacking play is so stodgy and dull. I certainly doubt players are going out of their way to stop Ayew in the way they did Eden Hazard or whoever.

As the often-excellent Efan Ekoku said in his role as summariser, Gallagher would often instigate the press, thereby compelling his team mates to join him, which in turn results in more ground covered, and being most fouled is nothing to be proud of as it usually means you're holding the ball too long and/or can't find a teammate with it.

Still though, it all fits with what we have seen I think. We ain't running very hard, and instead of crosses and through balls, our forwards are providing us with an endless string of free kicks on the half way line.

 

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dynamicdick Flag Dormansland 11 Feb 23 8.56pm Send a Private Message to dynamicdick Add dynamicdick as a friend

Originally posted by TheBigToePunt

During commentary today the following little nuggets of information were revealed:

1. Palace, as a team, have covered the least distance in the league this season...

[Link]

2. Zaha is the most fouled player in the league, followed by Ayew (the link shows grealish in second place, but Ayew would have moved 'ahead' of him today).

What to make of this?

Regarding mileage, the stats show that there isn't a big difference between the highest and lowest distances, and certainly no correlation between distances run and league position, so perhaps the only significance is whether we are running less this year than last, and whether that is deliberate.

I think the commentator said we were running far more last season (our number of sprints is also down apparently), and attributed the change to the loss of Gallagher. No doubt such an energetic player will be missed of course, but even he can't cover enough ground to significantly alter our total number of miles all by himself.

Regarding how often Zaha and Ayew are 'fouled', they both clearly aim to win free kicks rather than beat the opponent, which is a big part of why our attacking play is so stodgy and dull. I certainly doubt players are going out of their way to stop Ayew in the way they did Eden Hazard or whoever.

As the often-excellent Efan Ekoku said in his role as summariser, Gallagher would often instigate the press, thereby compelling his team mates to join him, which in turn results in more ground covered, and being most fouled is nothing to be proud of as it usually means you're holding the ball too long and/or can't find a teammate with it.

Still though, it all fits with what we have seen I think. We ain't running very hard, and instead of crosses and through balls, our forwards are providing us with an endless string of free kicks on the half way line.

So you are saying that Zaha and Ayew are constantly buying free kicks and this is stifling our attacking which, is ridiculous. They are fouled because they are moving with the ball and stopped from going towards goal. Perhaps you should look at what we do with those free kicks, Olises against Man U aside.

On running stats they are important and I would like to know a comparison between todays game and the previous home game with Brighton last season (the one in which Maupay got the injury time equaliser) and I guarantee they would have dwarfed todays. We were beyond up for it and Gallagher pressed so hard giving them no opportunity to build. He then goes and our whole style of play falls apart. Pressing doesn’t involve great skill but supreme fitness which, looks alarmingly lacking as does any coherent game plan, accordingly we are so easy to play against and predictable. This lies totally at the managers door and on this subject why did Derry go?

 


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TheBigToePunt Flag 11 Feb 23 10.14pm Send a Private Message to TheBigToePunt Add TheBigToePunt as a friend

Originally posted by dynamicdick

So you are saying that Zaha and Ayew are constantly buying free kicks and this is stifling our attacking which, is ridiculous. They are fouled because they are moving with the ball and stopped from going towards goal. Perhaps you should look at what we do with those free kicks, Olises against Man U aside.

On running stats they are important and I would like to know a comparison between todays game and the previous home game with Brighton last season (the one in which Maupay got the injury time equaliser) and I guarantee they would have dwarfed todays. We were beyond up for it and Gallagher pressed so hard giving them no opportunity to build. He then goes and our whole style of play falls apart. Pressing doesn’t involve great skill but supreme fitness which, looks alarmingly lacking as does any coherent game plan, accordingly we are so easy to play against and predictable. This lies totally at the managers door and on this subject why did Derry go?

Yes, I'm saying they are constantly buying free kicks. If you're defending for your life and under the cosh then a forward getting you a free kick in their half is very useful. You can take a breather, move up the pitch and start again. It's great as an outlet, but not as an attacking strategy when you are in possession. And that's the problem.

 

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eritheagle Flag Erith 11 Feb 23 10.36pm Send a Private Message to eritheagle Add eritheagle as a friend

Originally posted by TheBigToePunt

During commentary today the following little nuggets of information were revealed:

1. Palace, as a team, have covered the least distance in the league this season...

[Link]

2. Zaha is the most fouled player in the league, followed by Ayew (the link shows grealish in second place, but Ayew would have moved 'ahead' of him today).

What to make of this?

Regarding mileage, the stats show that there isn't a big difference between the highest and lowest distances, and certainly no correlation between distances run and league position, so perhaps the only significance is whether we are running less this year than last, and whether that is deliberate.

I think the commentator said we were running far more last season (our number of sprints is also down apparently), and attributed the change to the loss of Gallagher. No doubt such an energetic player will be missed of course, but even he can't cover enough ground to significantly alter our total number of miles all by himself.

Regarding how often Zaha and Ayew are 'fouled', they both clearly aim to win free kicks rather than beat the opponent, which is a big part of why our attacking play is so stodgy and dull. I certainly doubt players are going out of their way to stop Ayew in the way they did Eden Hazard or whoever.

As the often-excellent Efan Ekoku said in his role as summariser, Gallagher would often instigate the press, thereby compelling his team mates to join him, which in turn results in more ground covered, and being most fouled is nothing to be proud of as it usually means you're holding the ball too long and/or can't find a teammate with it.

Still though, it all fits with what we have seen I think. We ain't running very hard, and instead of crosses and through balls, our forwards are providing us with an endless string of free kicks on the half way line.

Zaha has been in the top two most fouled players in premier league for each of the last 8 or 9 seasons. When he’s not been top he has been behind Hazard or Grealish. Ayew has been in the top 3 or 4 for past 2 or 3 seasons.

 

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Elpis Flag In a pub 12 Feb 23 7.32am Send a Private Message to Elpis Add Elpis as a friend

On the running stats ,ever heard of making the ball do the work? As we move to a 'passing game ' walking pace football is all you need to do . Osain has got some tips from his over 45's walking 5 a side team that we are gradually implementing into our game .

Wilfred gets fouled a lot because the other teams dont like him . Hes a good lad really though and to help we have suggested he stops running at full backs and passes it back more often .

Ayew is like a insurance scam and gets us free kicks at will . Receive the ball pretend to run and put the brakes on . The guy behind runs into you and you get the pay out .

Dont worry , everthings under contol

Regards , Patrick

 

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Eaglecoops Flag CR3 12 Feb 23 8.14am Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

Interestingly the commentator yesterday, whilst talking about Ayew and Zaha being most fouled, made the simple observation that they hold onto the ball for too long which is why they are fouled.

No one to pass to probably doesn’t help, but I think it’s a bit of both.

 

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southnorwoodhill Flag 12 Feb 23 8.18am Send a Private Message to southnorwoodhill Add southnorwoodhill as a friend

Been saying for a good while that Zaha is a big part of the problem why we don't create many chances - he holds onto the ball too long when there are better options with the pass. Either to be channelled down the line into no mans land or cut inside and selfishly hit a scuff shot for the keeper to collect, this when there are a couple of Palace players lined up for the simple pass. Happens all the time. Quick ball is what we need, but we have too many hands on hips strollers for it to become truly effective.

 

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Spiderman Flag Horsham 12 Feb 23 8.22am Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by southnorwoodhill

Been saying for a good while that Zaha is a big part of the problem why we don't create many chances - he holds onto the ball too long when there are better options with the pass. Either to be channelled down the line into no mans land or cut inside and selfishly hit a scuff shot for the keeper to collect, this when there are a couple of Palace players lined up for the simple pass. Happens all the time. Quick ball is what we need, but we have too many hands on hips strollers for it to become truly effective.

Wasn’t Zaha’s fault yesterday! I agree we have to many strollers, our running off the ball/into space appears non-existent. No wonder we just pass it backwards or lose it. We must be the worst team in the division for this.
We got lucky but I am worried we are sleep walking into relegation

 

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southnorwoodhill Flag 12 Feb 23 8.33am Send a Private Message to southnorwoodhill Add southnorwoodhill as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

Wasn’t Zaha’s fault yesterday! I agree we have to many strollers, our running off the ball/into space appears non-existent. No wonder we just pass it backwards or lose it. We must be the worst team in the division for this.
We got lucky but I am worried we are sleep walking into relegation

Indeed, failure to be effective in the top third of the pitch isn't solely down to him, although he appears to have been given the responsibility of being our chief creator and outlet.

 

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MrRobbo Flag Chaldon 12 Feb 23 9.34am Send a Private Message to MrRobbo Add MrRobbo as a friend

Originally posted by TheBigToePunt

During commentary today the following little nuggets of information were revealed:

1. Palace, as a team, have covered the least distance in the league this season...

[Link]

2. Zaha is the most fouled player in the league, followed by Ayew (the link shows grealish in second place, but Ayew would have moved 'ahead' of him today).

What to make of this?

Regarding mileage, the stats show that there isn't a big difference between the highest and lowest distances, and certainly no correlation between distances run and league position, so perhaps the only significance is whether we are running less this year than last, and whether that is deliberate.

I think the commentator said we were running far more last season (our number of sprints is also down apparently), and attributed the change to the loss of Gallagher. No doubt such an energetic player will be missed of course, but even he can't cover enough ground to significantly alter our total number of miles all by himself.

Regarding how often Zaha and Ayew are 'fouled', they both clearly aim to win free kicks rather than beat the opponent, which is a big part of why our attacking play is so stodgy and dull. I certainly doubt players are going out of their way to stop Ayew in the way they did Eden Hazard or whoever.

As the often-excellent Efan Ekoku said in his role as summariser, Gallagher would often instigate the press, thereby compelling his team mates to join him, which in turn results in more ground covered, and being most fouled is nothing to be proud of as it usually means you're holding the ball too long and/or can't find a teammate with it.

Still though, it all fits with what we have seen I think. We ain't running very hard, and instead of crosses and through balls, our forwards are providing us with an endless string of free kicks on the half way line.

There may be something in the foul stat. Less so with Zaha, but definitely with Ayew, he's technically really good and will always hold onto the ball vs passing. So it stands to reason that he will get caught more than many. Great in some situations, but on the whole I'd rather have someone wo makes the pass as soon as possible. Brighton ripped us apart at will yesterday, and I cant remember any of them attempting and 1-on-1s or long dribbles. Its all pass and move.

The distance covered is really alarming, regardless of ability, its the bare minimum you can offer. Connor is a miss individually, but watching one of your team mates tear around does help lift everyone.


 

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waddy Flag Highton,Melbourne 12 Feb 23 1.19pm

The post certainly does reflect what is happening on the ground

I think it’s brace brace brace for the 2nd half of this season

I cannot see Ayew,Mateta,Schlupp or Edouard changing - they have developed to what style of player they will before next 3 years.From there in they will get weaker.

Yes the younger player can with right coaching develop as an individual & as a team player.If they choose to.

Milo,Tomkins,Ward are needing to lookin Championship or League 1 to be able to compete week in week out.

McArthur let’s see .Wilf is tiring yet he is too relayed upon.

Thus ground cover stands to reason all up

So Brace until we have another big clean out come July !

By then I hope Pat is still interested to stay on

 


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stringmail Flag Anytown 12 Feb 23 1.38pm Send a Private Message to stringmail Add stringmail as a friend

Ayew is so maddening to me. Yes, the price is right and for what we pay, he contributes but I do find his drawing of fouls and lack of general passing so annoying.

Early in the season, officiating was focused on not letting players draw those "hit the brakes" fouls that Ayew loves to do. Stop, fall over, arm around the ball, look at the ref. Just a yellow card waiting to happen.

But refs have seemed to a have relented and give Ayew the call as they know he is no threat with back to goal 40 yards out.

On a side note, I bet we lead the league in back passes :-/

 

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