It's alright, I saw Biden say months back if you didn't have a vaccination you were likely to get very sick and die. So I guess most of those non vaccinated people kicked the bucket.....because we all know Biden never talks absolute BS.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

I hope the enquiry will give some factual analysis to the deaths from covid and deaths with covid. The number's being thrown around by politicians and those with an agenda are misleading and need proper scrutiny.

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

As long as it understood that all scientific advice was tweeked by politics, then you should have a better grounding. Loads of people died through late diagnosis of cancer/having their treatment stopped.
Tough decisions were made (which no-one ever thought they would have to make), which were inevitably going to lead to deaths one way or t'other.

A thorough understanding of the decision process and the information behind it is underway. No doubt serious fk-ups were made, and even verging on criminal, the way emergency contracts were handed out and huge amounts of public money wasted.

It might be a painful process, but we need a thorough understanding of events to learn from

I disengage, I turn the page.

Is that the British now?

We look and worry about what everyone else is doing when we make a decision? That's group think and it's a fallacy and little different to the approach that lemmings take.

Let's remind ourselves that Sweden's policy was actually a version of our own original one. Johnson actually announced that policy at the beginning. That was the long standing policy of how to deal with pandemics. What actually happened a week later was emotion and fear over reason....a literal financial disaster over common sense. Lies and 'nudge units' over plainly delivered truths. A generation treated like children instead of adults.

People haven't really an idea of just how much was spent by Sunak. They have burdened future generations with our hubris. It's the very reversal of caring about the future....it's kicking away their ladder. I'm proud to say I never accepted this course.

I'd suggest to you that rather than it being the 'information at the time' the lockdowns and spending 400 billion were far more the result of pressure from the media and health 'experts' who all wanted safety and spend first.

The British cultural elite and much of Europe are essentially socially liberal/left and thus this outcome was instinctively inevitable.....just as in everything else they have done nothing but manage our decline and with this in fact vastly accelerated it. All while only really caring about insulating themselves as much as possible.

For me, if someone is part of the class that gets paid well and makes the decisions then you have to take the responsibility when they turn out far less positive than advertised. But we don't get that....instead we get justifications for why they took those decisions....well anyone could do that. However, no elite end up taking responsibility for their failures, just as no Turkey would vote for Christmas...there is no means to hold these people to account. Instead, it's more likely they get rewarded as they gaslight.

However, the reality was that the opposition and other alternatives were always there. Hol itself is a testament to that as we had arguments over this approach all the way through and no doubt this happened in most forums. But those alternatives were ignored and demonised at the top......Instead people were sacked, arrested, people were compelled against their will on their own personal health decisions, they were pressurised, ostracized and threatened.

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'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

We were not in “uncharted water” the UK had a plan and this was updated after the SARs virus and the plan did not include shutting down the economy, closing the NHS & paying people to stay home.

Yet another tone deaf response from you - For the tens of thousands who will needlessly die from the effects of this policy we have not “bought them time”.

As you well know there have not been 200,000 deaths from covid.

The government came close to another lockdown in December 2021 when it was very clear what the infection fatality rate was (very low) and that most people who tested positive either had no symptoms or extremely mild ones.

And typical from you WE when someone has a view that you do not agree with you label them as “know it alls”

The official total is meaningless since anyone who died of literally anything was recorded as a Covid death.
The issue is that pretty much the whole world locked down in the expectation that a vaccine would be become available even though one had never been developed before.