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Badger11 Beckenham 11 Jun 22 6.47am | |
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Some well known names touted for a first team spot have been released.
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cROYdonrogers Leamington Spa 11 Jun 22 7.32am | |
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Saw that and it got me thinking about the value and/or direction of the academy. I'm instinctively pro the academy, the idea of harvesting and nurturing the best talent in South London etc, but is it working?
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rossboss29 Portsmouth 11 Jun 22 7.52am | |
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Good luck to them all and hopefully they find new clubs. I feel especially sorry for Luke Dreher who was on the verges of the first team at one stage but unfortunately injuries had ruined his chances to progress with us. I know Sean Robertson was highly rated also at one point but again injuries curtailed his play time. I’m sure Nya Kirby won’t be short of takers.
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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 11 Jun 22 12.43pm | |
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Originally posted by cROYdonrogers
Saw that and it got me thinking about the value and/or direction of the academy. I'm instinctively pro the academy, the idea of harvesting and nurturing the best talent in South London etc, but is it working? You're never really going to get more than a couple of first-team prospects in each batch of kids coming through - the fact we can point to AWB and Mitchell in the last few years is amazing... how many clubs have sold an academy graduate for £50m in recent years? And how many have another graduate as one of the first name's on the team sheet? We're going well - Adaramola and JRS look to be the next up, and the current U18 squad seems to be particularly strong... I think there's 4 or 5 of them who've represented England at various youth levels. The future is bright!
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Dubai Eagle 11 Jun 22 1.36pm | |
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Also in the grand scheme of things the Academy is still a fledgling operation, for sure it will evolve as each season passes. Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
You're never really going to get more than a couple of first-team prospects in each batch of kids coming through - the fact we can point to AWB and Mitchell in the last few years is amazing... how many clubs have sold an academy graduate for £50m in recent years? And how many have another graduate as one of the first name's on the team sheet? We're going well - Adaramola and JRS look to be the next up, and the current U18 squad seems to be particularly strong... I think there's 4 or 5 of them who've represented England at various youth levels. The future is bright!
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Crystal_Clear Belfast 11 Jun 22 5.47pm | |
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Two names there which were highly rated at one time Dreher who was seriously unlucky with injuries. Kirby who had chances to shine whilst out on loan, but never seemed to to fulfill potential.
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doombear Too far from Selhurst Park 11 Jun 22 6.56pm | |
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Originally posted by Crystal_Clear
Two names there which were highly rated at one time Dreher who was seriously unlucky with injuries. Kirby who had chances to shine whilst out on loan, but never seemed to to fulfill potential.
Just shows how quickly things can change for a youngster. I remember watching Kirby in one of last season's pre=season matches and thinking 'he hasn't got what it takes for the PL'. Clearly, the club have taken the same view.
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Pete53 Hassocks 12 Jun 22 11.00am | |
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I don't know how old those players being released are, but once you are getting close to being too old for the Under 23s then you are reaching a crossroads. Unless you are a genuine clear prospect for inclusion in the senior squad then there is no option but to move them on. I wish them well.
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TheBigToePunt 12 Jun 22 3.28pm | |
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At the risk of boring people by repeating a point I've made before, there simply isn't an amount of money, a set of facilities, a standard of staff or an organisational strategy any club can use that overcomes the bald facts of the profession: Very, very few youth prospects make it. Look at how many international youth tournament winners end up not even being professional footballers. The numbers alone dictate constant rejection of youth players. You give your senior left back a five year deal. Meanwhile, you have a left back in each of your youth teams from u14 up to u18. At the end of each of the next five years you have to decide if the oldest youth team left back is likely to be better than the senior man. People talk about creating a 'pathway' but even if the club sell the senior left back and give the u18 player a chance, you'd end up either replacing that same player a year later with the next upcoming youth player, or releasing that next upcoming youth player. One way or another, there can never be enough job opportunities for the number of youth products, even if only because the lifespan of a professional contract covers the same period in which four or five youth players reach the end of the development process. The vast majority of players on the list will have known for a long time that they weren't going to be professional footballers. They are kept on because the one or two that might have a chance need another twelve or thirteen blokes around them in order to play matches.
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MrRobbo Chaldon 12 Jun 22 7.50pm | |
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Originally posted by TheBigToePunt
At the risk of boring people by repeating a point I've made before, there simply isn't an amount of money, a set of facilities, a standard of staff or an organisational strategy any club can use that overcomes the bald facts of the profession: Very, very few youth prospects make it. Look at how many international youth tournament winners end up not even being professional footballers. The numbers alone dictate constant rejection of youth players. You give your senior left back a five year deal. Meanwhile, you have a left back in each of your youth teams from u14 up to u18. At the end of each of the next five years you have to decide if the oldest youth team left back is likely to be better than the senior man. People talk about creating a 'pathway' but even if the club sell the senior left back and give the u18 player a chance, you'd end up either replacing that same player a year later with the next upcoming youth player, or releasing that next upcoming youth player. One way or another, there can never be enough job opportunities for the number of youth products, even if only because the lifespan of a professional contract covers the same period in which four or five youth players reach the end of the development process. The vast majority of players on the list will have known for a long time that they weren't going to be professional footballers. They are kept on because the one or two that might have a chance need another twelve or thirteen blokes around them in order to play matches.
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Norway Sandnes,Norway 13 Jun 22 11.33am | |
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Today Manchester City signed a young Norwegian - his father Alfi Haaland signed for City 22 years ago. Alfie was part of an excellent youth team (the same for his son a few decades later) I remember one of Alfies trainers told me: When I looked at the group as 16 years old I would never have thought Alfie Haaland would make it - many in the team had much more talent than him. But he was the one who trained hardest and worked hardest - making him a pro in England for a decade. Nobody thought that was possible when he played for the youth teams. My point is - too much talent who shines early often lack the hard work which make the really good players. And the Haalands are definitly among them.
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cryrst The garden of England 13 Jun 22 12.01pm | |
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I remember a story from harry rednap when at Tottenham about frank lampard kicking balls at goal in all weather at all hours. I can’t remember what player wasn’t signed instead but harry said there and then that frank would get to the top. Oops I think it was West Ham Edited by cryrst (13 Jun 2022 8.16pm)
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