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Matov 06 Jun 22 7.56am | |
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Looks like it is on. Enough votes to trigger it apparently. Suspect Johnson will survive. Just. Simply nobody else to replace him. If I was a Tory MP then I would have to hedge my bets and stick with the Devil they know because, when all is said and done, a man who can win elections. Counts for a lot. But when you hark back to December 2019 and the majority the Tories won, and to be here now, it is a remarkable fall from grace. Hubris. Gets everybody in the end.
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Hrolf The Ganger 06 Jun 22 8.01am | |
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The Tory rebels clearly want to reduce their chances of another big election win. I strongly suspect that Brexit is a big factor in all this.
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Matov 06 Jun 22 8.05am | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Issue is though that Boris has proven, by his refusal to trigger Article 16, that he lacks the bollocks to truly see Brexit through. The battle is clearly not over... And in some self-regarding nonsense, to lighten my mood...
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Lanzo-Ad Lanzarote 06 Jun 22 8.06am | |
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I have posted this on another thread, thought it more relevent here, Speaking as an outsider, of sorts, if their was a vote of no confidence in Boris, and he won, wouldn't it be worse for the Tories with the opinion polls so bad, isn't it like a kick in the teeth too the Tory voter if he wasn't replaced, i have voted for both main party's in the past.
“That’s a joke son, I say, that’s a joke.” “Nice boy, but he’s sharp as a throw pillow.” “He’s so dumb he thinks a Mexican border pays rent” “ “Son… I say, son, some people are so narrow minded they can look through a keyhole with both eyes.”__ Forhorn Leghorn |
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Matov 06 Jun 22 8.13am | |
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Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad
I have posted this on another thread, thought it more relevent here, Speaking as an outsider, of sorts, if their was a vote of no confidence in Boris, and he won, wouldn't it be worse for the Tories with the opinion polls so bad, isn't it like a kick in the teeth too the Tory voter if he wasn't replaced, i have voted for both main party's in the past.
The issue is not so much Johnson's crapness, at the moment, but the wider question of does any replacement manage to do any better? Starmer is weak on a whole host of issues come an actual election campaign. Brexit, the Trans issue and so on. Throw in potential boundary changes before the next election and it is all still to play for. Hence why I think they will give Johnson another go. But we will see.
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Matov 06 Jun 22 8.19am | |
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It's on. Vote of confidence. 6pm tonight.
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Matov 06 Jun 22 8.36am | |
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If Johnson wants to understand where he has got it right, then the letter from the supposedly Tory MP Jesse Norman spells it all out... [Tweet Link]
If Johnson manages to survive then he has to immediately speed up the Rwanda plan, f*** the EU off with Article 16 and privatise Channel 4 as soon as possible. And have this t*** deselected. Johnson can turn this around but only if he actually shows some bollocks. I suspect he will not, because he is a loathsome toad when all is said and done, but if Hunt does replace him then the Brexit Party has to come to the fore once more. Because the battle will be well and truly on again.
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Lanzo-Ad Lanzarote 06 Jun 22 8.39am | |
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I would think any Conservative MP would improve their vote on June 16th
“That’s a joke son, I say, that’s a joke.” “Nice boy, but he’s sharp as a throw pillow.” “He’s so dumb he thinks a Mexican border pays rent” “ “Son… I say, son, some people are so narrow minded they can look through a keyhole with both eyes.”__ Forhorn Leghorn |
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Lanzo-Ad Lanzarote 06 Jun 22 9.00am | |
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Spain has had a socialist led government for 44 years
“That’s a joke son, I say, that’s a joke.” “Nice boy, but he’s sharp as a throw pillow.” “He’s so dumb he thinks a Mexican border pays rent” “ “Son… I say, son, some people are so narrow minded they can look through a keyhole with both eyes.”__ Forhorn Leghorn |
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Badger11 Beckenham 06 Jun 22 9.05am | |
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I think he will survive for now but damaged. I still expect he will go before the next GE.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 06 Jun 22 10.35am | |
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Originally posted by Matov
If Johnson wants to understand where he has got it right, then the letter from the supposedly Tory MP Jesse Norman spells it all out... [Tweet Link]
If Johnson manages to survive then he has to immediately speed up the Rwanda plan, f*** the EU off with Article 16 and privatise Channel 4 as soon as possible. And have this t*** deselected. Johnson can turn this around but only if he actually shows some bollocks. I suspect he will not, because he is a loathsome toad when all is said and done, but if Hunt does replace him then the Brexit Party has to come to the fore once more. Because the battle will be well and truly on again. Your posts always make me smile. They are just so outrageously wide of the mark. He will survive, but is already so damaged that he will be forced to resign before the next election. He won't do any of the things you think he ought to do, because he knows very well that they would not pass the House. I expect, and hope, that Jeremy Hunt is chosen as the next leader. I also hope that the "Brexit" Party emerges again, so the hardline Brexiteers can have somewhere to place their votes and for the true level of their support to be identified. Then the Tory Party can return to its roots and let's see the split actually happen. I think the country has wised up enough to the impact of Brexit to allow the Tories to still govern, but in coalition with the Lib Dems and the SNP, who will demand, and get, commitments on PR and an independence referendum. Which will be lost as the UK will also enter into negotiations for an associate membership of the EU, as part of EU reform as they move to a two speed model. We need a shake up. But not of the kind you desire.
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steeleye20 Croydon 06 Jun 22 10.49am | |
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Why do MPs and possibly even voters think 'there is a war on' as though we are actually in a war and Johnson is a 'churchillian' war leader. It's amazing how people go for this stuff.
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