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^^^^ Probably not what you expected eh? Or did you...

Does make you think more holistically of the concept and existence of 'racism' in football. I'm not writing 'racism' to degrade it's status, just purely as I have always felt that it existed more in the context of 'White people hurting other, non-white peoples feelings' and not thought of as being a more universal aspect of human existence, certainly in the Media anyways.

There does seem to be a cross over between typical tribal behaviour and racist behaviour: singing of songs, taunting opposition teams/players/fans etc etc. This does not excuse it when it does contain racist content, however it has often been identified as the primary motive behind it, and again, associated primarily with and attributed mainly to 'white people'. Almost to the extent of: 'Africans being racist towards...Africans? That's umpossible! Could it just be an unfortunate facet of two separate groups essentially just hating each other for a brief period?

It has always felt to me, some white bloke it must be stated, as an attempted demonisation of peoples, which ironically in itself would be classed as racism. However, maybe that is only applicable to the extent that I would be more sensitive to this, as a another person may be to racism in a majority 'white' country, and context(football), being levelled at someone who is 'non-white'. I may think it an absolute rarity but someone with a different perspective may well think otherwise.

I was genuinely surprised when I read this article, do shamefully almost feel inclined to revel in it's existence elsewhere: 'See, it's not just 'white people'.. etc!' - noting the irony I have now indeed actually started a thread based upon it. It's not that I do indulge in racist beliefs or practices, just reiterating my earlier point that despite little to no evidence supporting the notion, I have felt personally accused by some labelled 'equality' movements purely because of me being a heterosexual, white, football following man, ironically. Maybe there is a claim to say that anti-racism campaigns are primarily targeted at 'us'? Whether 'we' have participated in certain things or not?

Would like to add at this point, I am not modelling myself as some sort of revolutionary or anti-equality campaigner, so do very, very sincerely apologise if poor articulation leads to any offence, that is certainly not my intention it is just, of course, a very subjective opinion/ponder from myself! I am not in anyway denying my own ignorance here either, just thought maybe I am not the only one who feels constantly, constantly, constantly preached to or identified as a target audience for something which has featured very rarely in my life!

Funny old world... or summink... makes you think dunnit?

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

It's unusual for a Liverpool player to be the victim in a news article.

Red and Blue Army!

Plenty of racism around. If you think to the upcoming Qatar World Cup and how many migrant workers have died building the site (literally thousands!) it's more akin to a graveyard than a stadium. I doubt many countries will be boycotting though, on account that there is often unfortunately a commercial aspect to their concern and here following the money involves ignoring rather than protesting injustices.

Apologies if my post was much more of a generalised take on things rather than a more specific view on the event in Nick's post.

Reading the article I was highly amused by the end paragraphs where we see the opinions of Mr Sanghor from the Senegalese federation....I'll repost it here. Compare that to say how the FA would comment if an English crowd had done that to the Senegal team or Egyptian side.

President of the Senegalese Federation, Augustin Senghor - who is also the vice-president of CAF - said he would await official reports on the incidents.

"From the stands, I didn't pay attention to the projectiles thrown," Senghor said. "About the lasers, if it happened this is a first in Senegal. But we know that in Cairo there were a lot of these and [they are used] often in specific countries. Senegal isn't used to that."

He added: "In my opinion, I didn't see during this game something that could be considered as chauvinism because the Senegalese are known to be very welcoming."

Edited by Stirlingsays (31 Mar 2022 2.26pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

The twisting and contortions done over Qatar results in a kind of dark amazement from someone like me.....much like my reaction to how the Newcastle left greeted the Saudi takeover of their club.

For me it's literally the manifestation of Orwell's doublethink.

There are no principles really....words are just tools....it's just all about some kind of 'winning'.

Whatever the establishment wants, the establishment gets.

Edited by Stirlingsays (31 Mar 2022 2.44pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

we can say with some certainty that the Olive-skinned brown-eyed Romans looked upon the pale peoples of Northern Europe as inferiors. And consequently often enslaved and brutalized them.

Moroccan Islamic Barbery Pirates enslaved a whole coastal village in Cork in the 1630's....Baltimore.

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford