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The groover Danbury 07 Mar 22 9.05pm | |
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If they leave now they can catch the 21.40 back to liverpool............ Everton really do look shocking!
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steeleye20 Croydon 07 Mar 22 9.16pm | |
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Now 5-0 and over 30 mins left. A hammering but I think they will be ok.
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monkey Sittingbourne,but made in Bromley 07 Mar 22 9.17pm | |
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Originally posted by The groover
If they leave now they can catch the 21.40 back to liverpool............ Everton really do look shocking! Their team has left already
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Slimey Toad Karsiyaka, North Cyprus 07 Mar 22 9.50pm | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Now 5-0 and over 30 mins left. A hammering but I think they will be ok. You're likely correct. Great if they did go down though.
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Goal Machine The Cronx 07 Mar 22 10.14pm | |
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They’re in a right mess. Lampard was a poor appointment and their squad is no better than Newcastle, Leeds and Burnley. They have a terrible run of fixtures in April which will likely see them in the bottom 3 come May. For me it’s between Everton & Leeds for the final relegation spot. Burnley have grit, Dyche and have been there before.
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PalazioVecchio south pole 08 Mar 22 4.17pm | |
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Originally posted by Slimey Toad
You're likely correct. Great if they did go down though. the list of teams never relegated from the Prem.......the two smaller clubs in the list were Aston Villa and Everton. i would love them to eat some humble pie. Something everybody else has already had.
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eagleman13 On The Road To Hell & Alicante 08 Mar 22 4.37pm | |
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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio
the list of teams never relegated from the Prem.......the two smaller clubs in the list were Aston Villa and Everton. i would love them to eat some humble pie. Something everybody else has already had. Villa were relegated in 2015/16 season.
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PalazioVecchio south pole 08 Mar 22 5.05pm | |
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Originally posted by eagleman13
Villa were relegated in 2015/16 season. exactly. And what i meant to say was Everton are the only non-giant to not be relegated. And so they are well overdue the privilege. Look at some huge clubs in the Championship and even League One....many clubs bigger than Everton. The team with the greatest longevity in the Top Flight is Arsenal 1913....followed by Everton 1951. Considering their mediocrity in terms of Silverware, Everton are not the second best club in the Land. But many of their Fans seem to be living in the 1960s Edited by PalazioVecchio (08 Mar 2022 5.08pm) Edited by PalazioVecchio (08 Mar 2022 5.21pm)
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sydtheeagle England 09 Mar 22 1.12pm | |
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It's instructive to look at the teams who have really come into serious, serious money in recent years: Chelsea Yes, I know all the top clubs have wealthy owners but the above four seem to be the ones who have owners prepared to splash the cash willy-nilly, as opposed to Liverpool or Man Utd. who do have wealthy owners, but owners who also exercise some restraint with spending the cash. Their wealth is real, but not a bottomless pit. Of those four, Chelsea and Man City have had clear strategies and structures from day 1. They've consistently hired only the very top managers (Avram Grant is the only exception I can really think of) and they've supported them with world-class players who've fit a clear tactical approach. They buy players not just because they're names, but because they fit a strategic blueprint. Thus, the individuals brought in advance the team itself. Newcastle seems to be getting it right via another formula. So far, the new owners have spent wisely, bringing in players and a manager who are clear fits for the task immediately to hand (staying up and putting building blocks in place). This bodes well for their long term-future. They haven't just gone for glamour and big names; they've said "what's the best fit for where we are right now?" The likes of Eddie Howe, Dan Burn and Chris Wood (even if they overpaid) are solid answers to that question. Donny Van Der Beek and Dele Alli may be "better" players than Dan Burn and Chris Wood but not for a team in chaos facing a relegation battle. Everton are the outlier here. Whereas the other three clubs appear to be both obscenely rich AND well run (in different ways), Everton are obscenely rich and very badly run. Their approach to managers has been all over the place and, with the exception of Ancelotti not focused on proven quality at all (Marco Silva, Frank Lampard) and their spending has been completely random, not mirroring where they are in the table or what they actually need to improve long-term. They haven't build a squad; they've just spent money to stick short-term plasters on their existing wounds. James Rodriguez may be a great player technically, but he's hardly where you'd spend millions for a lower-mid-table side looking to improve. They've simply taken a "flavour-of-the-month" approach to the transfer market and manager hirings (Benitez excepted); looking to make headlines that excite the fans for five minutes rather than putting an infrastructure in place for long-term success. The result has been a downward spiral, in spite of the money spent, for five years now and it's getting worse, not better. The lesson, I think, is that if you have endless money you are far more likely to succeed BUT cash alone doesn't protect you from your own incompetence. Cash enables you to reach a higher sky, but it also enables you, as Everton have proved, to dig yourself a far, far deeper hole. If Everton stays up, they face a massive and probably lengthy rebuild to turn things around. If they go down, they're in massive trouble whether the owner is rich or not. In either case, my guess is that the short-term future for Everton doesn't look very rosy at all. The sort of process they need to go through to turn things around, and the sort of manager and players capable of delivering it, doesn't fit in with their self-image at all and their failure to resolve that difference is what's brought them to where they are now in the first place. As long as they try to address fundamental structural needs with luxury players and managers, things will continue to get worse, not better.
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CrazyBadger Ware 09 Mar 22 2.58pm | |
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Originally posted by sydtheeagle
It's instructive to look at the teams who have really come into serious, serious money in recent years: Chelsea Yes, I know all the top clubs have wealthy owners but the above four seem to be the ones who have owners prepared to splash the cash willy-nilly, as opposed to Liverpool or Man Utd. who do have wealthy owners, but owners who also exercise some restraint with spending the cash. Their wealth is real, but not a bottomless pit. Of those four, Chelsea and Man City have had clear strategies and structures from day 1. They've consistently hired only the very top managers (Avram Grant is the only exception I can really think of) and they've supported them with world-class players who've fit a clear tactical approach. They buy players not just because they're names, but because they fit a strategic blueprint. Thus, the individuals brought in advance the team itself. Newcastle seems to be getting it right via another formula. So far, the new owners have spent wisely, bringing in players and a manager who are clear fits for the task immediately to hand (staying up and putting building blocks in place). This bodes well for their long term-future. They haven't just gone for glamour and big names; they've said "what's the best fit for where we are right now?" The likes of Eddie Howe, Dan Burn and Chris Wood (even if they overpaid) are solid answers to that question. Donny Van Der Beek and Dele Alli may be "better" players than Dan Burn and Chris Wood but not for a team in chaos facing a relegation battle. Everton are the outlier here. Whereas the other three clubs appear to be both obscenely rich AND well run (in different ways), Everton are obscenely rich and very badly run. Their approach to managers has been all over the place and, with the exception of Ancelotti not focused on proven quality at all (Marco Silva, Frank Lampard) and their spending has been completely random, not mirroring where they are in the table or what they actually need to improve long-term. They haven't build a squad; they've just spent money to stick short-term plasters on their existing wounds. James Rodriguez may be a great player technically, but he's hardly where you'd spend millions for a lower-mid-table side looking to improve. They've simply taken a "flavour-of-the-month" approach to the transfer market and manager hirings (Benitez excepted); looking to make headlines that excite the fans for five minutes rather than putting an infrastructure in place for long-term success. The result has been a downward spiral, in spite of the money spent, for five years now and it's getting worse, not better. The lesson, I think, is that if you have endless money you are far more likely to succeed BUT cash alone doesn't protect you from your own incompetence. Cash enables you to reach a higher sky, but it also enables you, as Everton have proved, to dig yourself a far, far deeper hole. If Everton stays up, they face a massive and probably lengthy rebuild to turn things around. If they go down, they're in massive trouble whether the owner is rich or not. In either case, my guess is that the short-term future for Everton doesn't look very rosy at all. The sort of process they need to go through to turn things around, and the sort of manager and players capable of delivering it, doesn't fit in with their self-image at all and their failure to resolve that difference is what's brought them to where they are now in the first place. As long as they try to address fundamental structural needs with luxury players and managers, things will continue to get worse, not better. i agree with all of this, except that I see that their managerial appointments haven't been that 'bad', since Moyes - they appeared entirely reasonable at the time. I find it hard to believe that these Managers have all bought quite so badly, or that they will accept big name purchases forced upon them from higher up the club? More shows to me that it is incredibly difficult to get the balance right.
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Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 09 Mar 22 4.38pm | |
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Originally posted by CrazyBadger
i agree with all of this, except that I see that their managerial appointments haven't been that 'bad', since Moyes - they appeared entirely reasonable at the time. I find it hard to believe that these Managers have all bought quite so badly, or that they will accept big name purchases forced upon them from higher up the club? More shows to me that it is incredibly difficult to get the balance right. I do understand your viewpoint and can easily see the logic behind it. My mind/opinion is however drawn more towards the apparent lack of stability at a football club can only be to it's detriment. I honestly look forward to Watford playing in League 2 in the not distant future. My diagnosis would be that they have, in the main, spent too much money on name managers, who in turn have bought their own selection of flavour of the month players, over a short period of time, culminating in a 'rag tag' squad of players whose names are only somewhat prestigious operating under a succession of managers struggling to, and inevitably not being able to, form some semblance of a cohesive unit and way of working. I would also be inclined to cite Manure as another example. The club have desperately attempted to sit at the top table for a long time and stuck with a manager who had them on the peripheries, safely, and their overexcited attempt to make the leap upon his departure has failed, badly. City - Yeah, well City Everton - Reckless, uninformed (crucial point), reactionary and almost panicked spending spree = the proverbial excrement show that has been highlighted. United - Same, just a far superior starting position but have fallen far from their permanency at the very Top global table, let alone European or domestic.
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PalazioVecchio south pole 09 Mar 22 6.18pm | |
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