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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 18 Jan 22 1.12pm | |
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OK, I re-read the book as an adult last year, having read it in my teens at school (in 1984) Ahh, too much time on my hands, with all this Covid and zero-hours contract I'm on.
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Slimey Toad Karsiyaka, North Cyprus 18 Jan 22 1.37pm | |
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I'll respond. You are so right about technology. Before the mid 90s when it all started I was really a book glutton. These days I look at my extensive library and occasionally dip in but always have 'must check up on FB, emails, You Tube, Holmesdale.net etc. etc.' at the back of my mind. John Cooper Clarke said a few years ago that he won't get online because the wouldn't get off it. It's an instant answer to questions without having to do any leg work. Which is of course a good thing, but it is also a bad thing in terms of personal enrichment. Edited by Slimey Toad (18 Jan 2022 1.38pm)
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Palace Old Geezer Midhurst 18 Jan 22 1.46pm | |
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I go along with your thinking on this issue Hillbilly. My wife and I frequently comment about how spooky Orwell's book was. I've got a copy somewhere, but couldn't find it when I looked just now (reflects the state of my bookshelves I'm afraid). So many of his ideas have come to fruition, or close to it, these days. And it was first published in 1949! We live in something like a Police State with so much surveillance and general awareness of almost everything we do. The Covid restrictions, necessary as they were, seemed to exacerbate the feeling that we were put under government control. There's a film called Logan's Run about a place where an idyllic, hedonistic lifestyle ends when you reach the age of 30. If you're wise you make a run for it because the alternative is mysteriously unpleasant. Another example of lives being controlled by the State. Spooky.
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eagleman13 On The Road To Hell & Alicante 18 Jan 22 2.33pm | |
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Originally posted by Palace Old Geezer
I go along with your thinking on this issue Hillbilly. My wife and I frequently comment about how spooky Orwell's book was. I've got a copy somewhere, but couldn't find it when I looked just now (reflects the state of my bookshelves I'm afraid). So many of his ideas have come to fruition, or close to it, these days. And it was first published in 1949! We live in something like a Police State with so much surveillance and general awareness of almost everything we do. The Covid restrictions, necessary as they were, seemed to exacerbate the feeling that we were put under government control. There's a film called Logan's Run about a place where an idyllic, hedonistic lifestyle ends when you reach the age of 30. If you're wise you make a run for it because the alternative is mysteriously unpleasant. Another example of lives being controlled by the State. Spooky. Great film, Micheal York, Peter Ustinov, Jenny Agutter & if i remember correctly, Farrah Fawcett-Majors. Where they had their controlling 'chip' in the palm of their hand. Another film on a similar vein was 'Soylent Green' with Charlton Heston. Anyhoo, 1984 as a peep into the future, is approx 40 years early but, still relevant seeing as what controls are in place to govern/control our lives.
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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 18 Jan 22 2.52pm | |
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Another facet is the theory of "time compression". Modern technology was meant to give humans more free time. What it has actually done is make working longer hours a routine thing, and thus reducing human contact time. You work longer, do more work, and have less time to yourself.
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Palace Old Geezer Midhurst 18 Jan 22 3.07pm | |
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly
Another facet is the theory of "time compression". Modern technology was meant to give humans more free time. What it has actually done is make working longer hours a routine thing, and thus reducing human contact time. You work longer, do more work, and have less time to yourself. You're on a roll now I can tell! Anything else we should feel gloomy about?
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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 18 Jan 22 3.21pm | |
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Originally posted by Palace Old Geezer
You're on a roll now I can tell! Anything else we should feel gloomy about? The upsides include internet pron and 'working from home' with alcohol on expenses Alcohol, it's not just for Government, it's for all the workers Edited by Forest Hillbilly (18 Jan 2022 3.22pm)
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Slimey Toad Karsiyaka, North Cyprus 18 Jan 22 3.25pm | |
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You can also argue most people aren't bothered by having their online behaviour constantly monitored. It is invisible and you never will know your personal data has been sold and who to. It's not like someone has managed to physically pull back the net curtains of your living room, although the sites you have visited (you know the ones) may reveal more than what is going on on your front room carpet.
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YT Oxford 18 Jan 22 3.39pm | |
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Nineteen Eighty-Four (to give it its correct title) wasn't at all prophetic. It was an allegory on totalitarian regimes that already existed.
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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 18 Jan 22 7.17pm | |
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I heard it became a best seller again recently. I always liked Orwell, so thought at least a few more people have read his work. I don't think it's a bad thing for more people to question society somewhat.
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Stirlingsays 18 Jan 22 7.37pm | |
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly
OK, I re-read the book as an adult last year, having read it in my teens at school (in 1984) Ahh, too much time on my hands, with all this Covid and zero-hours contract I'm on.
We are powerless precisely because those that hold real power are only really interested in expanding it. Their ability to do that has been significantly aided by technology and the growing better ability to shape mass communication to the exclusion of alternatives. The Internet has been a challenge to that but is slowly being turned into the same tool of control. Capital runs the west....the party runs China. Wouldn't it be great if we could have a system where people had more power over their own lives.
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kingdowieonthewall Sussex, ex-Cronx. 18 Jan 22 8.24pm | |
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'Soylent green' anyone?
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