No one needs to protect inoffensive speech.

I want to make the point that free speech needs protection and that, similar to nationally, I have noticed it being attacked on Hol much more regularly than in past years.

What people won't fight for they will lose. I think Hol has been particularly strong over the years in the face of some disgusting behaviour by activists to keep its site from being curated speech...and I'm not talking about posts on this site, but action off of it.

The Hol has the choice on what posters it allows on its boards.
People have choice....they can move, indeed, due to one particular poster I've considered much the same.

However, if I get bored off the boards I will always be appreciative of Hol for providing the outlet that allowed me to celebrate the amazing year that was 2016.

But I digress, the point of the thread is that free speech, as a principle, should be protected.

Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Nov 2021 3.04pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

For some reason I could only think of this.

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'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

And your early response, again is one of goading and belittling.
Maybe RD is pleased you walk away, it's probably the only way he stops himself from being arrested with your condescending tone and approach!
It does appear that anyone can have an opinion as long as its yours! Very nationalistic I would say.

No-one ought to be either "goaded or belittled" by my observations. They can either choose to respond, agreeing or disagreeing, or not. That's their decision entirely.

Mine are genuine opinions. Others are fully entitled to theirs, which never either goad, or make me feel belittled! Being confident in the veracity of your position is the key to that.

I have to say though that you have not addressed any of the points I made, and decided to respond with an ad hominem.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

The progressives 'spread their filth' so to speak because they now own the culture, its mouthpieces and hell....pretty much everything.

They were allowed that ownership via the free speech the social conservatives who ran the culture before them allowed them. It's using that free speech that any change back could occur....not that I think that's how it's really going to work.

Personally I don't think it's desirable or practical to force large groups of the population to live a life they don't like. So in the same fashion that I don't like living in socially progressive neo liberalism I don't think it works to force modern liberals to live within the social conservative world.

Multiculturalism means that parallel societies are inevitable and demographic shifts means that by and large regions won't only be separated by class but by culture....it's been happening for decades...some might call this separation by race but in reality it's by culture and income....I don't ever seeing the racial aspect being explicit nor need it be though percentage wise it will be implicit.

So, for example, in practice I don't ever see Muslims in the UK becoming western but rather I see them becoming their own region living by their own laws. I don't see for example, the English ever ruling its own unbroken country again....essentially it will fragment. I think that's the inevitable consequence of multiculturalism.

I think keeping the background of free speech allows us all to form communities and parallel societies without fear.....I think this is inevitable anyway but free speech and association ensures it's peaceful and cohesive. To ban it would force it underground and hence make it more risky and extreme the more polarised it became.

So what I'm saying is I think that nations will eventually split into localised regions governed by different political cultures.....it'll happen more quickly in the US than in the UK because the demographic percentages and cultural split is different.....but we are just downstream of the US by ten years.

Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Nov 2021 12.34am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Talking of free speech

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Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.