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Hrolf The Ganger 09 Nov 21 10.35am | |
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Migrants being herded by Belarus to attack Polish borders. Imagine this x 10, 20 or more, and you will be seeing the norm in the near future. When climate change bites along with the inevitable conflicts, we will see millions coming our way. We must stop this, and soon. We cannot allow these people into our territories. Our duty is to protect our children, our culture, and our very existence by all means necessary. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (09 Nov 2021 12.19pm)
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Beanyboysmd 09 Nov 21 10.42am | |
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Ooh so you want to reverse climate change so we dont end up with floods of immigration? Well it sounds like you want the same thing as the left but for different reasons. Its nice to have both sides of the spectrum agree on something!
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Matov 09 Nov 21 10.44am | |
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Apparently two jets a day flying into Belarus from Damascus. Interesting to see the statement from VDL this morning. The EU, for now at least, seem focused on backing the Poles.
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Hrolf The Ganger 09 Nov 21 10.45am | |
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Originally posted by Beanyboysmd
Ooh so you want to reverse climate change so we dont end up with floods of immigration? Well it sounds like you want the same thing as the left but for different reasons. Its nice to have both sides of the spectrum agree on something! We can't reverse climate change. We can only reduce our impact on it. What we can do is protect our island from being over run by illegal migrants.
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dreamwaverider London 09 Nov 21 10.54am | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
We can't reverse climate change. We can only reduce our impact on it. What we can do is protect our island from being over run by illegal migrants. Climate change is generated exclusively by population explosion. Globally we have tripled in the last 80 years. This is never spoken about at any level at global meetings or the press. Edited by dreamwaverider (09 Nov 2021 10.54am)
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Badger11 Beckenham 09 Nov 21 11.14am | |
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Originally posted by Matov
Apparently two jets a day flying into Belarus from Damascus. Interesting to see the statement from VDL this morning. The EU, for now at least, seem focused on backing the Poles.
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Hrolf The Ganger 09 Nov 21 11.38am | |
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Originally posted by dreamwaverider
Climate change is generated exclusively by population explosion. Globally we have tripled in the last 80 years. This is never spoken about at any level at global meetings or the press. Edited by dreamwaverider (09 Nov 2021 10.54am) Climate change is mostly a natural process. It will continue regardless. Even now, without the climate change factor, migrants are moving in increasing numbers for economic reasons and to escape conflict. There has to be a coordinated effort to stop the trafficking of migrants and a realization that migrants have to be halted and returned to where they came from.
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BlueJay UK 09 Nov 21 11.39am | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
We can't reverse climate change. We can only reduce our impact on it. What we can do is protect our island from being over run by illegal migrants. And we had all better get rather good at it.. because there's a difference between people leaving their country out of choice and hundreds of millions doing so out of necessity. If certain countries become completely unlivable in an accelerated period of time due to a global sh!t on the environment, you'll have yourself plenty of new neighbours.
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BlueJay UK 09 Nov 21 11.44am | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Climate change is mostly a natural process. It will continue regardless. Even now, without the climate change factor, migrants are moving in increasing numbers for economic reasons and to escape conflict. There has to be a coordinated effort to stop the trafficking of migrants and a realization that migrants have to be halted and returned to where they came from. There won't be. We can't even get on with our European neighbours as the previous few years has shown. So they hardly care about who's popping up on our shores, much as we generally don't care who is appearing on theirs. All reveling in thumbing one anothers eyes, with us being one of the worst culprits. We'll all be too busy arguing about fishing quotas to thinl about such matters.
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Hrolf The Ganger 09 Nov 21 11.47am | |
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Originally posted by BlueJay
And we had all better get rather good at it.. because there's a difference between people leaving their country out of choice and hundreds of millions doing so out of necessity. If certain countries become completely unlivable in an accelerated period of time due to a global sh!t on the environment, you'll have yourself plenty of new neighbours. That is exactly what I have suggested. This is the tip of the iceberg. Climate change is happening, and we need to become quickly aware of what that will mean in terms of migration numbers. This has to be a major issue at elections. Any government elected must act on this to protect our borders. It is clear that even without the climate factor, this is an increasing problem that must be properly addressed.
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BlueJay UK 09 Nov 21 11.55am | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
That is exactly what I have suggested. This is the tip of the iceberg. Climate change is happening, and we need to become quickly aware of what that will mean in terms of migration numbers. This has to be a major issue at elections. Any government elected must act on this to protect our borders. It is clear that even without the climate factor, this is an increasing problem that must be properly addressed. Yes, I would agree it's certainly a problem to be expected to be host to potentially unlimited numbers of people. We do need workable solutions, which as you say really has to involve a joint effort with others nations (else it just becomes someone elses issue). I do see environmental measures as being a key part to this too though, as there is a big difference between changes coming over decades rather than much slower. It's a win-win to invest in renewables at a much faster pace and hold corporations to account for putting profit over the planet. The population point is hard to deny though how and when there is a big drop on that front is anyones guess. This pandemic could've been such an incident, though turned out to be more of a near miss.
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Hrolf The Ganger 09 Nov 21 12.27pm | |
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Originally posted by BlueJay
Yes, I would agree it's certainly a problem to be expected to be host to potentially unlimited numbers of people. We do need workable solutions, which as you say really has to involve a joint effort with others nations (else it just becomes someone elses issue). I do see environmental measures as being a key part to this too though, as there is a big difference between changes coming over decades rather than much slower. It's a win-win to invest in renewables at a much faster pace and hold corporations to account for putting profit over the planet. The population point is hard to deny though how and when there is a big drop on that front is anyones guess. This pandemic could've been such an incident, though turned out to be more of a near miss. It would be a rather foolish policy to hope for a sudden reduction in human population. Population should level off at some point, but far too late to avoid disastrous consequences. The main concern now should be protecting our Island. Of course, we should be moving away from fossil fuels and investing in renewable, clean energy. Sadly China and other developing countries are unlikely to do so.
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