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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 23 Oct 21 8.19am
Obvious by its absence on HOL. Did the topic get pulled for legal reasons, or has no one dared to post ? All a bit strange, how live ammunition gets mixed with the blanks. This would be something for a Columbo episode. A frustrated actor with an axe to grind in a tortuous filming schedule. An ammunition expert looking to settle a score for cheating, and set someone up. A malicious crew member set to inherit a fortune. Obviously, speculation that has legal implications, should be swerved Edited by Forest Hillbilly (23 Oct 2021 8.21am) I disengage, I turn the page.
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Obvious by its absence on HOL. Did the topic get pulled for legal reasons, or has no one dared to post ?

All a bit strange, how live ammunition gets mixed with the blanks.

This would be something for a Columbo episode. A frustrated actor with an axe to grind in a tortuous filming schedule. An ammunition expert looking to settle a score for cheating, and set someone up. A malicious crew member set to inherit a fortune.

Obviously, speculation that has legal implications, should be swerved

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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 23 Oct 21 11.42am
A couple of points: Blank ammunition should look totally different to live ammo. It is usually coloured differently. A mix up then would not be easy. You can get killed or injured by blanks. Dirt in the barrel, a splinter of metal, that kind of thing, can fire out at the velocity of a normal bullet. Hence blanks need to be fired with caution. I was thinking about this and realised that there's probably no real need for actual blanks these days. I'm pretty sure CGI type effects can do it. The full implications of that I don't know. Red and Blue Army!
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Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 23 Oct 21 11.42am

A couple of points:

Blank ammunition should look totally different to live ammo. It is usually coloured differently. A mix up then would not be easy.

You can get killed or injured by blanks. Dirt in the barrel, a splinter of metal, that kind of thing, can fire out at the velocity of a normal bullet. Hence blanks need to be fired with caution.

I was thinking about this and realised that there's probably no real need for actual blanks these days. I'm pretty sure CGI type effects can do it. The full implications of that I don't know.

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Badger11 Beckenham 23 Oct 21 12.38pm
I am curious as to why the woman was shot as she is not an actress. Baldwin was handed a gun which he believed contained a blank, if he had shot an actor (as part of the story) and as happened with Brandon Lee that would make sense. How did this woman come to get shot? As other have posted people have been killed by guns firing blanks so you never ever point a gun at someone and fire as a joke. Edited by Badger11 (23 Oct 2021 12.39pm) One more point
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Beckenham 23 Oct 21 12.38pm

I am curious as to why the woman was shot as she is not an actress.

Baldwin was handed a gun which he believed contained a blank, if he had shot an actor (as part of the story) and as happened with Brandon Lee that would make sense. How did this woman come to get shot?

As other have posted people have been killed by guns firing blanks so you never ever point a gun at someone and fire as a joke.

Edited by Badger11 (23 Oct 2021 12.39pm)

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Grumbles 23 Oct 21 1.17pm
Personally 1 He should have checked the firearm himself even if told it contained blanks. That would be what would be troubling me, never take someone's word on the status of a firearm. 2 I've seen blanks are not coloured differently. 3 Seen blanks with crimped end that fires quite a lot of the case and wooden bullets for gas operated. 4 I guess in the movies, the "don't ever ever point a gun at someone" is relaxed somewhat. Don't know the details but he could have firing at camera etc. rather than at another actor.
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Personally

1 He should have checked the firearm himself even if told it contained blanks. That would be what would be troubling me, never take someone's word on the status of a firearm.

2 I've seen blanks are not coloured differently.

3 Seen blanks with crimped end that fires quite a lot of the case and wooden bullets for gas operated.

4 I guess in the movies, the "don't ever ever point a gun at someone" is relaxed somewhat. Don't know the details but he could have firing at camera etc. rather than at another actor.

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Badger11 Beckenham 23 Oct 21 2.00pm
Originally posted by Grumbles Personally 1 He should have checked the firearm himself even if told it contained blanks. That would be what would be troubling me, never take someone's word on the status of a firearm. 2 I've seen blanks are not coloured differently. 3 Seen blanks with crimped end that fires quite a lot of the case and wooden bullets for gas operated. 4 I guess in the movies, the "don't ever ever point a gun at someone" is relaxed somewhat. Don't know the details but he could have firing at camera etc. rather than at another actor. Thanks Now that you said that it would make sense. If they wanted a shot of him full face firing the gun the woman would have been standing in front of him with the camera. Edited by Badger11 (23 Oct 2021 2.05pm) One more point
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Beckenham 23 Oct 21 2.00pm

Originally posted by Grumbles

Personally

1 He should have checked the firearm himself even if told it contained blanks. That would be what would be troubling me, never take someone's word on the status of a firearm.

2 I've seen blanks are not coloured differently.

3 Seen blanks with crimped end that fires quite a lot of the case and wooden bullets for gas operated.

4 I guess in the movies, the "don't ever ever point a gun at someone" is relaxed somewhat. Don't know the details but he could have firing at camera etc. rather than at another actor.

Thanks

Now that you said that it would make sense. If they wanted a shot of him full face firing the gun the woman would have been standing in front of him with the camera.

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becky over the moon 23 Oct 21 2.04pm
Originally posted by Grumbles Personally 1 He should have checked the firearm himself even if told it contained blanks. That would be what would be troubling me, never take someone's word on the status of a firearm. 2 I've seen blanks are not coloured differently. 3 Seen blanks with crimped end that fires quite a lot of the case and wooden bullets for gas operated. 4 I guess in the movies, the "don't ever ever point a gun at someone" is relaxed somewhat. Don't know the details but he could have firing at camera etc. rather than at another actor. Firearms protocols require that whoever set the gun up should have presented it to him opened, shown the ammunition in situ and explained exactly what type of ammunition was loaded/how many rounds in the case of a 'repeater'. The gun should not have been closed/primed until the action was ready to be filmed. A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers
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over the moon 23 Oct 21 2.04pm

Originally posted by Grumbles

Personally

1 He should have checked the firearm himself even if told it contained blanks. That would be what would be troubling me, never take someone's word on the status of a firearm.

2 I've seen blanks are not coloured differently.

3 Seen blanks with crimped end that fires quite a lot of the case and wooden bullets for gas operated.

4 I guess in the movies, the "don't ever ever point a gun at someone" is relaxed somewhat. Don't know the details but he could have firing at camera etc. rather than at another actor.

Firearms protocols require that whoever set the gun up should have presented it to him opened, shown the ammunition in situ and explained exactly what type of ammunition was loaded/how many rounds in the case of a 'repeater'. The gun should not have been closed/primed until the action was ready to be filmed.

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Stirlingsays 23 Oct 21 2.27pm
This is always going to happen eventually. Just from recollection I can think of two other actors/crew who have died from guns on movie sets. There's Lee's boy of course and that TV actor who blew his brains out playing russian roulette with what he thought was an empty gun. Just searched for his name....Jon-Erik Hexum. Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Oct 2021 2.32pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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23 Oct 21 2.27pm

This is always going to happen eventually.

Just from recollection I can think of two other actors/crew who have died from guns on movie sets.

There's Lee's boy of course and that TV actor who blew his brains out playing russian roulette with what he thought was an empty gun.

Just searched for his name....Jon-Erik Hexum.

Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Oct 2021 2.32pm)

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BlueJay UK 23 Oct 21 2.32pm
Originally posted by becky Firearms protocols require that whoever set the gun up should have presented it to him opened, shown the ammunition in situ and explained exactly what type of ammunition was loaded/how many rounds in the case of a 'repeater'. The gun should not have been closed/primed until the action was ready to be filmed. Agreed. This was the job of someone else on set, and in fact if actors started messing around with guns to check them, then that would become the problem. Talk of safety concerns and walk outs on set though; which is a worry. In line with what another poster said, I heard that the person shot was behind the camera rather than intentionally fired towards (who knows though!). A tragic accident by all accounts. Terrible for the victim and her family, and something that will no doubt take a lot of getting over for Baldwin. Edited by BlueJay (23 Oct 2021 2.34pm)
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UK 23 Oct 21 2.32pm

Originally posted by becky

Agreed. This was the job of someone else on set, and in fact if actors started messing around with guns to check them, then that would become the problem. Talk of safety concerns and walk outs on set though; which is a worry.

In line with what another poster said, I heard that the person shot was behind the camera rather than intentionally fired towards (who knows though!). A tragic accident by all accounts. Terrible for the victim and her family, and something that will no doubt take a lot of getting over for Baldwin.

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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 23 Oct 21 3.00pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays This is always going to happen eventually. Just from recollection I can think of two other actors/crew who have died from guns on movie sets. There's Lee's boy of course and that TV actor who blew his brains out playing russian roulette with what he thought was an empty gun. Just searched for his name....Jon-Erik Hexum. Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Oct 2021 2.32pm) You'd think/hope the frequency of such incidents would be less. The main points are why are live rounds kept with blanks ? And what was the fire-arms expert doing ? Then again, there's an awful lot of guns in a lot of movies these days, and some movies have quite tight budgets and filming schedules. There are incidents within the armed forces (Deepcut excluded), so I suppose even experts with guns can get it wrong. And on another technical aspect about killing with a blank round. If fired at point=blank range it is possible to kill something as the pressurised air from the muzzle may cause a puncture wound, simultaneously injecting air into the bloodstream, causing cardiac arrest. I disengage, I turn the page.
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in a hidey-hole 23 Oct 21 3.00pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

This is always going to happen eventually.

Just from recollection I can think of two other actors/crew who have died from guns on movie sets.

There's Lee's boy of course and that TV actor who blew his brains out playing russian roulette with what he thought was an empty gun.

Just searched for his name....Jon-Erik Hexum.

Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Oct 2021 2.32pm)

You'd think/hope the frequency of such incidents would be less.
The main points are why are live rounds kept with blanks ?
And what was the fire-arms expert doing ?

Then again, there's an awful lot of guns in a lot of movies these days, and some movies have quite tight budgets and filming schedules.
There are incidents within the armed forces (Deepcut excluded), so I suppose even experts with guns can get it wrong.

And on another technical aspect about killing with a blank round. If fired at point=blank range it is possible to kill something as the pressurised air from the muzzle may cause a puncture wound, simultaneously injecting air into the bloodstream, causing cardiac arrest.

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Stirlingsays 23 Oct 21 3.06pm
Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly You'd think/hope the frequency of such incidents would be less. The main points are why are live rounds kept with blanks ? And what was the fire-arms expert doing ? Then again, there's an awful lot of guns in a lot of movies these days, and some movies have quite tight budgets and filming schedules. There are incidents within the armed forces (Deepcut excluded), so I suppose even experts with guns can get it wrong. And on another technical aspect about killing with a blank round. If fired at point=blank range it is possible to kill something as the pressurised air from the muzzle may cause a puncture wound, simultaneously injecting air into the bloodstream, causing cardiac arrest. If it involves humans....eventually it'll go wrong. I suppose it's a reminder than certainty is nearly always an illusion. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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23 Oct 21 3.06pm

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

You'd think/hope the frequency of such incidents would be less.
The main points are why are live rounds kept with blanks ?
And what was the fire-arms expert doing ?

If it involves humans....eventually it'll go wrong.

I suppose it's a reminder than certainty is nearly always an illusion.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 23 Oct 21 3.18pm
An honest mistake. Let's face it, we've all done it. Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham
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Clapham on the Back 23 Oct 21 3.18pm

An honest mistake. Let's face it, we've all done it.

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

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BlueJay UK 23 Oct 21 3.21pm
Originally posted by Cucking Funt An honest mistake. Let's face it, we've all done it. Sorry, it won't happen again. I'm glad you pulled through
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Originally posted by Cucking Funt

An honest mistake. Let's face it, we've all done it.

Sorry, it won't happen again. I'm glad you pulled through

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