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 HKOwen  Hong Kong 02 Oct 21 6.20am |
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Then those sneaky Belgians left with out telling anyone
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 Hrolf The Ganger  02 Oct 21 7.56am |
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This country better get used to shortages because our infrastructure will soon begin to fail under the weight of so many immigrants arriving legal and illegal. Don't say you weren't warned. Blaming Brexit is pure politics. Just like ancient Rome.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 02 Oct 21 9.26am |
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I don't think anyone has suggested that there isn't a shortage of HGV drivers throughout Europe. The issue is whether Brexit has put us in a worse position relatively to other European countries? If drivers can find plenty of work in their own countries, why come to the UK where they are regarded, at least by some, as unwelcome, and the pay and conditions inferior. Brexit hasn't caused the problem, but it has made finding a solution harder. Imagining there is a pool of suitable labour at home ready and willing to be trained to drive HGV's, with the training facilities already in place, and that this can all be done quickly, is totally unrealistic. We have a short to medium term problem which won't be solved by opening our doors again to the EU. Nor, I suspect, elsewhere. Substantially increasing the training facilities, alongside making the job more attractive, both for the pay and the facilities on offer, will bring a longer-term improvement, but the same can be said for many other areas which are suffering a labour shortage. This won't be solved in my lifetime! We will have to get used to the shortages, empty shelves and closures due to lack of staff. Oh, and Hrolf blaming it all on immigration.
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jeeagles  02 Oct 21 9.42am |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
This country better get used to shortages because our infrastructure will soon begin to fail under the weight of so many immigrants arriving legal and illegal. Don't say you weren't warned. Blaming Brexit is pure politics. Just like ancient Rome. You mean the infrastructure that's designed, built, and maintained by a Labour force that's reliant on immigration? Lol.
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Teddy Eagle  02 Oct 21 10.04am |
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| jeeagles 02 Oct 21 10.27am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I don't think anyone has suggested that there isn't a shortage of HGV drivers throughout Europe. The issue is whether Brexit has put us in a worse position relatively to other European countries? If drivers can find plenty of work in their own countries, why come to the UK where they are regarded, at least by some, as unwelcome, and the pay and conditions inferior. Brexit hasn't caused the problem, but it has made finding a solution harder. Imagining there is a pool of suitable labour at home ready and willing to be trained to drive HGV's, with the training facilities already in place, and that this can all be done quickly, is totally unrealistic. We have a short to medium term problem which won't be solved by opening our doors again to the EU. Nor, I suspect, elsewhere. Substantially increasing the training facilities, alongside making the job more attractive, both for the pay and the facilities on offer, will bring a longer-term improvement, but the same can be said for many other areas which are suffering a labour shortage. This won't be solved in my lifetime! We will have to get used to the shortages, empty shelves and closures due to lack of staff. Oh, and Hrolf blaming it all on immigration. It seems like the amount of blame placed on Brexit has been overstated, which has received an inevitable "I told you so" reaction from leavers. Exacerbated by the initial "I told you so" response from remainers before the full details emerged. Punch and Judy stuff. For the moment, this seems like a storm in a tea cup. It seems like there are enough people with HGV license, who may trickle back into haulage jobs. In recent years, our economy has been criticised for lack of productivity. Having a glut of cheap labour hasn't encouraged productivity. As necessity is the mother of all innovation, in future years logistics companies may need to sharpen their pencils to ensure they are using their resources as efficiently as possible. Other infrastructure and technology developments will help. HS2 will take capacity from existing rail networks, freeing up space for freight. Moving freight on rail takes far less people. Long term, we might not need to train up thousands of new lorry drivers.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 02 Oct 21 11.04am |
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Originally posted by jeeagles
It seems like the amount of blame placed on Brexit has been overstated, which has received an inevitable "I told you so" reaction from leavers. Exacerbated by the initial "I told you so" response from remainers before the full details emerged. Punch and Judy stuff. For the moment, this seems like a storm in a tea cup. It seems like there are enough people with HGV license, who may trickle back into haulage jobs. In recent years, our economy has been criticised for lack of productivity. Having a glut of cheap labour hasn't encouraged productivity. As necessity is the mother of all innovation, in future years logistics companies may need to sharpen their pencils to ensure they are using their resources as efficiently as possible. Other infrastructure and technology developments will help. HS2 will take capacity from existing rail networks, freeing up space for freight. Moving freight on rail takes far less people. Long term, we might not need to train up thousands of new lorry drivers. Interesting and positive post. I hope you are right. I am not sure too many holders of HGV licences, who aren't currently driving, will return without significant changes being made. I only know one and he got really fed up with always being away from home, and the lack of decent facilities. It's not as though there aren't better alternatives. He is now a gardener!
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| silvertop Portishead 02 Oct 21 11.24am |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
This country better get used to shortages because our infrastructure will soon begin to fail under the weight of so many immigrants arriving legal and illegal. Don't say you weren't warned. Blaming Brexit is pure politics. Just like ancient Rome. Lefty protectionist!
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| silvertop Portishead 02 Oct 21 11.30am |
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Originally posted by jeeagles
It seems like the amount of blame placed on Brexit has been overstated, which has received an inevitable "I told you so" reaction from leavers. Exacerbated by the initial "I told you so" response from remainers before the full details emerged. Punch and Judy stuff. For the moment, this seems like a storm in a tea cup. It seems like there are enough people with HGV license, who may trickle back into haulage jobs. In recent years, our economy has been criticised for lack of productivity. Having a glut of cheap labour hasn't encouraged productivity. As necessity is the mother of all innovation, in future years logistics companies may need to sharpen their pencils to ensure they are using their resources as efficiently as possible. Other infrastructure and technology developments will help. HS2 will take capacity from existing rail networks, freeing up space for freight. Moving freight on rail takes far less people. Long term, we might not need to train up thousands of new lorry drivers. I agree with some of this and I am a remainer. Much is to do with improved living standards from the origin countries where drivers used to work long hours and not see their families for months. Now they work locally and see their kids every night. Why come back?
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| Badger11 Beckenham 02 Oct 21 12.35pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I don't think anyone has suggested that there isn't a shortage of HGV drivers throughout Europe. The issue is whether Brexit has put us in a worse position relatively to other European countries? If drivers can find plenty of work in their own countries, why come to the UK where they are regarded, at least by some, as unwelcome, and the pay and conditions inferior. Brexit hasn't caused the problem, but it has made finding a solution harder. Imagining there is a pool of suitable labour at home ready and willing to be trained to drive HGV's, with the training facilities already in place, and that this can all be done quickly, is totally unrealistic. We have a short to medium term problem which won't be solved by opening our doors again to the EU. Nor, I suspect, elsewhere. Substantially increasing the training facilities, alongside making the job more attractive, both for the pay and the facilities on offer, will bring a longer-term improvement, but the same can be said for many other areas which are suffering a labour shortage. This won't be solved in my lifetime! We will have to get used to the shortages, empty shelves and closures due to lack of staff. Oh, and Hrolf blaming it all on immigration. This is true at any time though. The reason we had a flood of workers from the EU was they could not find jobs at home and with the additional UK benefits plus the favourable currency exchange it made sense to come to the UK. I have a builder mate who went to Berlin after the fall of the wall for the same reason. He came home when the work dried up and he could do better at home. Many EU workers went home even before Brexit not because of racist Britain but because the economy at home had improved or they had made their dough. Brexit hasn't helped but if they can get a better deal at home now they wouldn't come even if we were in the EU.
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BlueJay  UK 02 Oct 21 12.35pm |
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It's a bit of everything really. Brexit, pandemic, response to pandemic, a corrupt in it for themselves government, lack of planning and training, levels of immigration, exodus of some of those we've become reliant on and so on.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 02 Oct 21 12.38pm |
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Originally posted by BlueJay
It's a bit of everything really. Brexit, pandemic, response to pandemic, a corrupt in it for themselves government, lack of planning and training, levels of immigration, exodus of some of those we've become reliant on and so on.
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