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PalazioVecchio south pole 01 Oct 21 11.33am
There is talk of phasing heading out of the game. Of course in Ireland with GAA rules the player is allowed to strike a high ball with any part of the body......so a handball is allowed, Diego Maradona style. maybe that is where Maradona got the idea ? what do you favour..... very strict, no headers or very relaxed.....anything goes or no change to the current setup or Other [Link] Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford
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There is talk of phasing heading out of the game.

Of course in Ireland with GAA rules the player is allowed to strike a high ball with any part of the body......so a handball is allowed, Diego Maradona style.

maybe that is where Maradona got the idea ?

what do you favour.....

very strict, no headers
or
very relaxed.....anything goes
or
no change to the current setup
or
Other

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Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 01 Oct 21 12.03pm
Without heading Benteke would be pointless. Red and Blue Army!
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Without heading Benteke would be pointless.

Red and Blue Army!

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Palace Old Geezer Midhurst 01 Oct 21 12.21pm
I fully understand the brain damage potentially caused by heading a football. Especially relevant to players from bygone days when a wet, leather ball weighed a ton. I used to duck rather than head a ball! But, I started a thread, On Me 'Ead Son, in March to discuss whether it would be viable to play the game without heading. I find it hard to imagine, although I accept it would be possible. Nuno is in the news saying he thinks it's absurd to consider playing the game without heading. Aren't things different these days anyway? The balls are much lighter now than they were 50 years ago when some of these injuries originated. Football without heading is like rugby without hits. Maybe safer, but quite a different sport. Nobody forces folk to play these games. They know the risks but enjoy the sport. If they ban heading they should definitely ban boxing. Dad and I watched games standing on the muddy slope of the Holmesdale Road end. He cheered and I rattled.
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I fully understand the brain damage potentially caused by heading a football. Especially relevant to players from bygone days when a wet, leather ball weighed a ton. I used to duck rather than head a ball!

But, I started a thread, On Me 'Ead Son, in March to discuss whether it would be viable to play the game without heading. I find it hard to imagine, although I accept it would be possible.

Nuno is in the news saying he thinks it's absurd to consider playing the game without heading. Aren't things different these days anyway? The balls are much lighter now than they were 50 years ago when some of these injuries originated.

Football without heading is like rugby without hits. Maybe safer, but quite a different sport.

Nobody forces folk to play these games. They know the risks but enjoy the sport.

If they ban heading they should definitely ban boxing.

Dad and I watched games standing on the muddy slope of the Holmesdale Road end. He cheered and I rattled.

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PalazioVecchio south pole 01 Oct 21 2.00pm
yes the ball is lighter these days. But a lot of injuries seems to be player-on-player head collisions. Regarding Benteke and other players with an advantage in the air ? would you give a long contract to a fella who specialises in an aspect of the game which may be under scrutiny ? and even banned. You could end up with an expensive albatross around your neck. Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford
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south pole 01 Oct 21 2.00pm

yes the ball is lighter these days. But a lot of injuries seems to be player-on-player head collisions.

Regarding Benteke and other players with an advantage in the air ?

would you give a long contract to a fella who specialises in an aspect of the game which may be under scrutiny ? and even banned. You could end up with an expensive albatross around your neck.

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

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becky over the moon 01 Oct 21 4.06pm
Maybe they should all just wear headguards, like the young/inexperienced boxers do, or these Taikwondo ones would also allow heading the ball.... [Link] A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers
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Maybe they should all just wear headguards, like the young/inexperienced boxers do, or these Taikwondo ones would also allow heading the ball....

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A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers

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PalazioVecchio south pole 01 Oct 21 6.27pm
Originally posted by becky Maybe they should all just wear headguards, like the young/inexperienced boxers do, or these Taikwondo ones would also allow heading the ball.... [Link] the rugby fellas wear headguards. I reckon a lot of footballers would dislike the loss of ball-control ? But then the new generation of footballers would just get on with it. but other sports have led the way...., wear the headgear or do not play.....Hurling, Cycling etc etc. there was probably a time when bare-knuckle boxers eschewed bulky gloves. Today ? perhaps Anthony Joshua regrets how spongy they were. Edited by PalazioVecchio (01 Oct 2021 6.36pm) Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford
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Originally posted by becky

Maybe they should all just wear headguards, like the young/inexperienced boxers do, or these Taikwondo ones would also allow heading the ball....

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the rugby fellas wear headguards. I reckon a lot of footballers would dislike the loss of ball-control ? But then the new generation of footballers would just get on with it.

but other sports have led the way...., wear the headgear or do not play.....Hurling, Cycling etc etc.

there was probably a time when bare-knuckle boxers eschewed bulky gloves. Today ? perhaps Anthony Joshua regrets how spongy they were.

Edited by PalazioVecchio (01 Oct 2021 6.36pm)

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BlueJay UK 02 Oct 21 12.26pm
It's a worry, but I suppose it comes down to whether we view it as an intregal part of the game of not. If we do, beyond basic steps we're rather limited in what we can do about it anyway. And of course in plenty of sports we certainly don't have a care for head injuries (boxing for instance, where essentially knocking someone out is the point), so I can't see anything major changing at top level anytime soon.
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It's a worry, but I suppose it comes down to whether we view it as an intregal part of the game of not. If we do, beyond basic steps we're rather limited in what we can do about it anyway. And of course in plenty of sports we certainly don't have a care for head injuries (boxing for instance, where essentially knocking someone out is the point), so I can't see anything major changing at top level anytime soon.

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slubglurge welling 07 Oct 21 6.55am
Football won't be the same without heads. It would be like a larger version of 5 a side. I lost both my in laws to dementia as have a huge amount of others, people who never headed a football in their life
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welling 07 Oct 21 6.55am

Football won't be the same without heads. It would be like a larger version of 5 a side. I lost both my in laws to dementia as have a huge amount of others, people who never headed a football in their life

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Teddy Eagle 07 Oct 21 9.28am
Originally posted by PalazioVecchio the rugby fellas wear headguards. I reckon a lot of footballers would dislike the loss of ball-control ? But then the new generation of footballers would just get on with it. but other sports have led the way...., wear the headgear or do not play.....Hurling, Cycling etc etc. there was probably a time when bare-knuckle boxers eschewed bulky gloves. Today ? perhaps Anthony Joshua regrets how spongy they were. Edited by PalazioVecchio (01 Oct 2021 6.36pm) Boxing gloves were introduced to protect the fighter’s hands rather than the opponent’s head. It’s been claimed head guards don’t work in boxing because they provide a larger target and don’t prevent the brain from moving inside the skull after a punch. According to this article women are at twice the risk of brain injuries when playing football, rugby, etc. [Link]
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07 Oct 21 9.28am

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

the rugby fellas wear headguards. I reckon a lot of footballers would dislike the loss of ball-control ? But then the new generation of footballers would just get on with it.

but other sports have led the way...., wear the headgear or do not play.....Hurling, Cycling etc etc.

there was probably a time when bare-knuckle boxers eschewed bulky gloves. Today ? perhaps Anthony Joshua regrets how spongy they were.

Edited by PalazioVecchio (01 Oct 2021 6.36pm)

Boxing gloves were introduced to protect the fighter’s hands rather than the opponent’s head. It’s been claimed head guards don’t work in boxing because they provide a larger target and don’t prevent the brain from moving inside the skull after a punch.
According to this article women are at twice the risk of brain injuries when playing football, rugby, etc.

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Frickin Saweet South Cronx 07 Oct 21 9.45am
this will be led by the quality of the science at the time. Hasn't heading already been reduced in training? And kids are now only training heading sparsely and with lighter balls? I read that the current thinking is that most of the brain damage comes from repeated heading all week in training, rather than the few times that most players will head the ball in a match. Of course that could be disproved in time. I think that this will take generations to fully resolve and understand. For example, how do recently-retired players' brains differ (in terms of damage) to those that were studied and played in previous decades, with the much heavier balls as stated above. Heading is less of a feature in some aspects of modern football ie. defenders playing out from the back and more comfortable with the call at their feet, however I can't imagine the game without a scenario such as the ball being crossed in for someone to attack with their head - that sort of thing is instinctual - you get any part of your body on it to try and stick it in the next and the most extreme, practical and legal part is often your head .
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this will be led by the quality of the science at the time. Hasn't heading already been reduced in training? And kids are now only training heading sparsely and with lighter balls?

I read that the current thinking is that most of the brain damage comes from repeated heading all week in training, rather than the few times that most players will head the ball in a match. Of course that could be disproved in time.

I think that this will take generations to fully resolve and understand. For example, how do recently-retired players' brains differ (in terms of damage) to those that were studied and played in previous decades, with the much heavier balls as stated above.

Heading is less of a feature in some aspects of modern football ie. defenders playing out from the back and more comfortable with the call at their feet, however I can't imagine the game without a scenario such as the ball being crossed in for someone to attack with their head - that sort of thing is instinctual - you get any part of your body on it to try and stick it in the next and the most extreme, practical and legal part is often your head .

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