He was right about Germany winning it though.

One more point

It’s a generational thing. In that era and before we were free to say anything and no offence was shown. Nowadays everyone is reall y suppressed and the youngsters just accept that. But there are plenty whose thoughts are old school even though they contain it. The world has become so secretive and hypocritical driven largely by policial correctness and lies.

I remember being in a meeting with colleagues back in 1999 (yes, a real meeting, not a digital one) and one of the attendees was black. Another attendee used this exact phrase, at which point there was a tumbleweed moment (for about 30 seconds). At which point said attendee was asked to leave the meeting, with their superior. They never returned.

I like to consider myself very aware of racist remarks, but it was only drawn to my attention recently that terms such as "cotton pickin'" and "sold down the river" also have negative racial connotations.

Except the black man did nothing whilst a guy next to him made a racist comment. Hardly, a change in the whip hand. In fact, not a change at all.

It's staggeringly predictable how you try and spin this to make white people sound like a victim when a white man has just used racist language whilst sat next to a black man.

There's no lefties on here condemning what Hurst said. It was a dumb thing to say, but in 31 years times have changed. Nothing a quiet word in private couldn't resolve.

Powell wasn't right, he was sacked, and has been widely condemned ever since.

"Most people understand that a racist remark is only racist if it's intended to be". That's barely a sentence. It's a racist remark if if meets the definition of racist. There's no debate from anyone that Hurst made a racist comment. There's also no lefties screaming for him to be lynched or similar. They aren't even claiming he is racist, people are just saying it was a stupid thing to say. You're repeated obvious attempts to make yourself the victim isn't working.

Hurst has plenty of media commitments today and a twitter account. I'd be confident he wouldn't use that language today and would probably look back on the interview cringing at his former self.

You don't think in my terms, you just moan about how hard done by you are. An attitude of a failure. You've once again disingenuously claiming I'm demonising him, when all I said was needed was a quite word in private - along the lines of "don't say that again geoff, it's offensive". Then the matter would be dealt with. This is your victim mentality.

I've been pretty consistent in saying we should judge people in the past by today's standards.

We've all heard boring old farts bang on about Enoch Powel. They are the type of people that lack the emotional intelligence to realise that pretty much everyone around them is rolling their eyes waiting for throwback to stop talking so they can get on with their lives. What the boring old farts never realise is that they become the butt of all jokes as soon as they leave the room. No credible person would cite that speech now.

As for bringing up obscure polls from the past, you are really clutching at straws. People were claiming Marcus Rashford should be PM a few months ago. But trying to discredit the fact that he was sacked for his statement just shows how disingenuous you are.

I note you've started to throw round many little digs here and there as you repeatedly lose arguments. You just sound like a crybaby.

Awww resorting to insults before running away and playing the victim again.

If you don't want to want to get involved in pointless continual arguments, don't bore everyone by bringing up arguments what were resolved decades ago. You lost then, you're losing now, and your future is bleak.

Meanwhile, it sounds like myself, Wisbech, and DanH all have pretty good lives.

No matter how you dress it up, you're veiw point is obvious, and posts are predictable. They fill up these boards day after day, but interest no one. You could save yourself some time and just post "Stirlingsays doesn't like immigrants" after any issue.