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Qwijibo Bournemouth 02 Sep 21 8.06pm | |
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After that first half against West Ham, I think there were a lot of people questioning whether we had another FdB situation. Whilst harsh, it's likely to be the go-to analogy for any manager struggling to immediately implement his ideas. It's always struck me that losing 4 games isn't that bad. Being the first 4 of the season really magnifies it, but it's not as if Hodgson, Pardew, Holloway and others haven't had worse runs mid-season. My vague recollection is we were quite good against Burnley, but lost because of Lee Chung-Yong's shocking back pass and an inability to score. So presumably there was more to it than merely poor form. We're now four years on. What happened? And just how unimpressed were the players and directors with what they saw from him?
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HKOwen Hong Kong 02 Sep 21 11.25pm | |
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That season 14 pts from last 6 games, them was the days
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viveasheagle perth 03 Sep 21 5.51am | |
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Yes we did play well against Burnley but lost 3-0 at home to Huddersfield and 2-0 at home to Swansea before then. De Boer was also sacked early in his roles for Inter Milan and his national team.
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topcat Holmesdale / Surbiton 03 Sep 21 8.16am | |
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After Pardew was sacked, Fat Sam came in and blew the budget in order to keep us in the Premier League. It worked but it meant that we had nothing left in the kitty after Allardyce buggered off. We then had the wrong type of players for the de Boer style to work. Football under Hodgson was similar to BFS football so he was able to work wonders on very little money and an aging squad. Either through luck or foresight, a lot of players were coming to the end of their Palace career so Vieira has been able to bring in players that suit his style of play. It remains to be seen if they can integrate with the ones left from the last regime but the 2nd half at West Ham was certainly prommising. There are few similarities between FDB and Vieira other than they are changing the style of football after a more pragmatic predecessor.
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southnorwoodhill 03 Sep 21 9.07am | |
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That clip of FdB doing press ups made me chuckle
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CrazyBadger Ware 03 Sep 21 9.17am | |
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Always thought Fdb was not given enough time. Showed a lack of commitment/conviction from SP. Pre-season and 4 games was never going to be enough for what he was attempting. Saying that, a lot of talk about evolution not revolution but he seemed to go with revolution anyway. Always felt that the board were unhappy with their decision and used the 4 losses as the perfect excuse to correct their mistake.
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doombear Too far from Selhurst Park 03 Sep 21 9.40am | |
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Obviously, I don't know FdB but the impression I've gained is that he's his own worst enemy. He seems to insist on doing things his way even when he doesn't have the tools, It was noticeable in the Euros that he deliberately adopted his own system at the expense of the one traditionally associated with the national team. I don't think FdB can do evolution, only revolution. That kind of attitude tends to lose the dressing room pretty quickly not to mention the fans. Although Vieira is bringing revolution rather than evolution, it is very much with the blessing of SP (and presumably the rest of the board). It is clear from the way we got much of our business done early this window that Parish and Freedman had been tracking players who can play a more possession-based style of football. The running down of so many contracts at once was probably deliberate as it has enabled the club to bring in a sufficient number the right type of players to make it possible to adopt the new style from Day 1.
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Goal Machine The Cronx 03 Sep 21 9.56am | |
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From an outsider looking in, FDB was trying to implement a style of football for which we simply didn't have the players for. He appeared too stubborn/not able to play any other way. If he has his vision of playing Ajax champagne football, this is something which should have been gradually bought in over time. We should have stuck to what we're good (i.e. defend/counter attack) until we're safe and then slowly bring in the right players, 2/3 every transfer window and treat the the last 6 games of the season with pre-season as the transition period. Too much too quickly, too stupid/arrogant. His record since leaving Palace has been dreadful which suggests we swerved a bullet. PV has been fortunate that we're able to throw money at new signings. I think it's a fantastic opportunity for him.
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Foxy0208 Blackpool 03 Sep 21 10.00am | |
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I think FDB was sacked over more than just the poor start. There were lots of rumblings at the time about fallouts with senior players. A big part of managing a team is about how you build a relationship with your squad and get your ideas across to them and reputation alone won't do it and above all else you need your senior players to be on board. PV seems to be much better at this and the training ground clips seem to show a much happier ship. To be totally fair to FDB he probably didn't get the backing in terms of bringing in players to implement his new style but I don't think he managed the players he had particularly well. Its going to take time but the basic stuff seems to be in place so as long as everyone is patient and doesn't panic after every defeat, I think we have every reason to feel positive about the future.
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Putitout Oxford 03 Sep 21 10.21am | |
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The one thing that stands out from the Frank de Boer, moment, is if the transfer policy of the next four years was to go by, he was expected to change our playing style with the players he had with very few additions. That’s what Hodgson , worked with, why would it have been any different for De Boer,? Frank, may well have not been the best choice anyway , but that was going to be a tall order whoever tried to do it. As it was under Hodgson,the playing style stagnated to some degree because of a lack of investment in players suitable for improving our style.and remain in the league.
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Painter Croydon 03 Sep 21 11.34am | |
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Let’s just be honest, de Boer isn’t a very good as a manager and has very poor people skills. It’s as simple as that, as time has shown since he was sacked by Palace.
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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 03 Sep 21 11.37am | |
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I just can’t bring myself to care about him anymore. I think trying to teach Delaney a scissor kick volley into the top corner nearly got him a punch in the head. He has that type of face, doesn't he?
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