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Badger11 Beckenham 15 May 21 3.41pm | |
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As far as I am aware this has been trialled in a number of countries and so far has either been a failure or the results have been inconclusive. It will be interesting to see what exactly it is and how it works. The idea is that as people get it automatically and it is not dependent on benefits they can focus on taking a job rather than worrying about will I lose my benefits. Rather than this I would prefer to see a more flexible unemployment benefit. At the moment if you are offered a short term contract you have to sign off and sign back on so most people don't bother. I would have no problem in allowing people to continue to claim benefits whilst taking a short term job e.g. 6 weeks. How exactly that would work I'm not sure but it does seem that the current system works against it.
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PalazioVecchio south pole 15 May 21 4.10pm | |
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we should bring back : a) soup kitchens b) dormitory accommodation c) compulsory work schemes d) drink & drugs testing .....for the Longterm unemployed. seriously. Instead of them living in a nice house in unemployment black-spots while Londoners work their ass off to afford a little home and travel to work in a sardine can twice a day. the longterm unemployed are a blight on taxpayers. Its like you are trying to cycle your bike up Anerley Hill and a fecker is towing behind you on a skateboard. A look of righteous indignation on their face as they try to nick your wallet. Londoners spend mid-morning doing the paperwork for their employment....not still in bed and knocking off one while suffering a hangover. To pay a modest sum to EVERYBODY is actually fairer. But it will inflate house prices, rent & grocery bills. Edited by PalazioVecchio (15 May 2021 4.31pm)
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steeleye20 Croydon 15 May 21 4.21pm | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
As far as I am aware this has been trialled in a number of countries and so far has either been a failure or the results have been inconclusive. It will be interesting to see what exactly it is and how it works. The idea is that as people get it automatically and it is not dependent on benefits they can focus on taking a job rather than worrying about will I lose my benefits. Rather than this I would prefer to see a more flexible unemployment benefit. At the moment if you are offered a short term contract you have to sign off and sign back on so most people don't bother. I would have no problem in allowing people to continue to claim benefits whilst taking a short term job e.g. 6 weeks. How exactly that would work I'm not sure but it does seem that the current system works against it. I can see pandemics for years ahead and this sort of thing being an absolute necessity.
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Badger11 Beckenham 15 May 21 7.36pm | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
I can see pandemics for years ahead and this sort of thing being an absolute necessity. Sure the idea is rather than use a stick and make people work this is the carrot that is supposed to free them up from the tyranny of the job centre and rowing with the officials. Unfortunately when they have tried this elswhere the the unemployed don't bother to get a job. That's why I would prefer some flexibility around claiming and working so if you are long term unemployed and someone offers you a months work say you can take it and not sign off or something like that.
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BlueJay UK 15 May 21 11.20pm | |
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I think it's an idea worth exploring in a trial. At least it doesn't have 'screwed over' written all over it, which pretty much sums up the impact of most other government policies.
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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 16 May 21 4.24pm | |
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I wouldn't be too happy about paying tax to let Welsh people drink.
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YT Oxford 16 May 21 4.47pm | |
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I've always thought it to be a reasonably sound idea. £x,000 a year for everyone. Full stop. If you want to work, or secure a pension for later life so as to have a higher income, so be it. If you don't, so be it too, but you'll get nothing further from the state or from your local authority. This would save a fortune in administering and paying state benefits and pensions and would eliminate benefit fraud in one stroke. The problem, of course, is that the left would still continue to whinge about "inequality" ie the inequality between those who want to better themselves and those who don't or can't.
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jeeagles 16 May 21 8.00pm | |
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This is an idea I like. I've got a lot of friends and family in the South Wales Valley's. Beautiful place but it's pretty desperate in terms of employment. If a lot of people know they can afford to travel or move for jobs, then they'd have more opportunities. They'd also be able to get better quality opportunities to help build a decent career. Would also hopefully cut down on beaurcracy so council workers in benefits offices can be reallocated elsewhere. Could help with cutting down on petty crime too, which blights shops in smaller towns. Great place to start a trial.
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W12 22 May 21 5.57pm | |
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Do you think there will not be “conditions” for UBI?
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Badger11 Beckenham 22 May 21 6.09pm | |
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Originally posted by W12
Do you think there will not be “conditions” for UBI? I think the real question is will UBI work? If it doesn't then it wont address the underlying problems. So far the results in other places have been less than impressive, in Finland they cancelled the trial. Now if you believe giving people money for nothing in return is a good idea then you will disagree. If however you believe that people should work and be helped to work cutting down on all the BS at the job centre is a more effective use of public money. As I said in a previous post one of the barriers for long term unemployed is if they are offered a short term contract they wont take it because they are scared that when that it is over they will not be allowed back on the same benefits or it is simply too much grief. For me finding a solution to that issue is a more effective use of public money rather than trusting that people on UBI will also look for a job. Edited by Badger11 (22 May 2021 6.10pm)
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W12 22 May 21 6.16pm | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
I think the real question is will UBI work? If it doesn't then it wont address the underlying problems. So far the results in other places have been less than impressive, in Finland they cancelled the trial. Now if you believe giving people money for nothing in return is a good idea then you will disagree. If however you believe that people should work and be helped to work cutting down on all the BS at the job centre is a more effective use of public money. As I said in a previous post one of the barriers for long term unemployed is if they are offered a short term contract they wont take it because they are scared that when that it is over they will not be allowed back on the same benefits or it is simply too much grief. For me finding a solution to that issue is a more effective use of public money rather than trusting that people on UBI will also look for a job. Edited by Badger11 (22 May 2021 6.10pm) How could paying someone to produce nothing possibly work in economic terms alone? That’s leaving aside the utter nihilism of this idea.
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OldFella London 22 May 21 6.24pm | |
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Originally posted by jeeagles
This is an idea I like. I've got a lot of friends and family in the South Wales Valley's. Beautiful place but it's pretty desperate in terms of employment. If a lot of people know they can afford to travel or move for jobs, then they'd have more opportunities. They'd also be able to get better quality opportunities to help build a decent career. Would also hopefully cut down on beaurcracy so council workers in benefits offices can be reallocated elsewhere. Could help with cutting down on petty crime too, which blights shops in smaller towns. Great place to start a trial. You lost me to uncontrollable laughter at this point
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