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Badger11 Beckenham 26 Mar 21 11.05am | |
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Having worked for a supermarket the staff should be paid more, that said this this is a slippery slope decision. Comparing a warehouse worker to a shelf stacker is ridiculous anyone who has done both jobs will tell you that supermarket warehouse work is hard physical labour which is why it is mainly done by men. Physical labour and getting dirty seems to be undervalued when ever these equal pay cases come up so school cleaners are compared to dustmen. If the ladies of Asa want equal pay that could always transfer to the warehouse. Even in the supermarket the ladies didn't pull their weight the men did the box humping for the ladies which I had no problem with but it seems some of them want it both ways. Edited by Badger11 (26 Mar 2021 11.06am)
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 26 Mar 21 11.23am | |
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There will now be more lay offs or fewer new people hired, meaning they’ll be rushed off their feet more than they can probably cope with, meaning cheaper, faster and fitter youngsters hired over anyone else. They just won’t do it immediately to disguise it. Those driving this probably aren’t far from retiring or leaving the job so who cares?
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Stirlingsays 26 Mar 21 11.26am | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Having worked for a supermarket the staff should be paid more, that said this this is a slippery slope decision. Comparing a warehouse worker to a shelf stacker is ridiculous anyone who has done both jobs will tell you that supermarket warehouse work is hard physical labour which is why it is mainly done by men. Physical labour and getting dirty seems to be undervalued when ever these equal pay cases come up so school cleaners are compared to dustmen. If the ladies of Asa want equal pay that could always transfer to the warehouse. Even in the supermarket the ladies didn't pull their weight the men did the box humping for the ladies which I had no problem with but it seems some of them want it both ways. Edited by Badger11 (26 Mar 2021 11.06am) Agreed. But we live in times where reason gives way to expediency. Companies live in fear of how something can be portrayed and that wins out over common sense. Because conservatives gave up on social policies to the left this now will always be the result. Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Mar 2021 11.27am)
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cryrst The garden of England 26 Mar 21 7.06pm | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Having worked for a supermarket the staff should be paid more, that said this this is a slippery slope decision. Comparing a warehouse worker to a shelf stacker is ridiculous anyone who has done both jobs will tell you that supermarket warehouse work is hard physical labour which is why it is mainly done by men. Physical labour and getting dirty seems to be undervalued when ever these equal pay cases come up so school cleaners are compared to dustmen. If the ladies of Asa want equal pay that could always transfer to the warehouse. Even in the supermarket the ladies didn't pull their weight the men did the box humping for the ladies which I had no problem with but it seems some of them want it both ways. Edited by Badger11 (26 Mar 2021 11.06am) Well now the fellas can leave it to their fellow workers officially!
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Seagles Croydon 26 Mar 21 7.32pm | |
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Hasn't this been law for about 50 years? I was once forced to sit through the film "made in dagenham" which is about pretty much the same thing.
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nickyf 28 Mar 21 10.27am | |
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shop workers are probably paid living wage. Is the living wage and nmw wage being attacked to slowly erode it and scrap it?
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Badger11 Beckenham 28 Mar 21 10.56am | |
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Personally I would have a minimum wage of £10 per hour for everyone. The problem I have with this case is it is not like for like when comparing roles and hence equal pay. In the warehouse you spend all day loading and unloading lorries with pallets it is hard physical labour and maybe outdoors or in an unheated environment in all weathers. In a supermarket you work in doors and the pallets have been broken down. You may pick up a cardboard box containing 12 tins of soup to put on a shelf. The warehouse worker will lift a container probably holding 4 times the number of that if not more. In the work place we value and reward intelligence and skill but I also think that physical strength should be valued as well. Where I worked in M&S not a single woman worked in the warehouse and none of them wanted to and it's not just the women. I did occasional stints there and knew I could not cut it physically due to my age and bad back. Somebody mentioned Dagenham and I think in that case the women were correct they were seamstresses which is a skilled job and they deserved better pay. Neither shelf stack or warehouse worker are skilled but again it is about availability of Labour. Plenty of people want to do shop work but a young fit unskilled man can get better pay than warehouse work so that has to be taken into account as well.
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HKOwen Hong Kong 29 Mar 21 1.07am | |
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Equal work is not a requirement for equal pay. Look at the world of professional tennis
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Teddy Eagle 29 Mar 21 1.27am | |
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HKOwen Hong Kong 30 Mar 21 10.34am | |
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which magic money tree would produce these wages? I am in favour of higher wages, getting a grip on the black economy would be a good start and ensuring employees in every job are legally entitled to have the job. Originally posted by Badger11
Personally I would have a minimum wage of £10 per hour for everyone. The problem I have with this case is it is not like for like when comparing roles and hence equal pay. In the warehouse you spend all day loading and unloading lorries with pallets it is hard physical labour and maybe outdoors or in an unheated environment in all weathers. In a supermarket you work in doors and the pallets have been broken down. You may pick up a cardboard box containing 12 tins of soup to put on a shelf. The warehouse worker will lift a container probably holding 4 times the number of that if not more. In the work place we value and reward intelligence and skill but I also think that physical strength should be valued as well. Where I worked in M&S not a single woman worked in the warehouse and none of them wanted to and it's not just the women. I did occasional stints there and knew I could not cut it physically due to my age and bad back. Somebody mentioned Dagenham and I think in that case the women were correct they were seamstresses which is a skilled job and they deserved better pay. Neither shelf stack or warehouse worker are skilled but again it is about availability of Labour. Plenty of people want to do shop work but a young fit unskilled man can get better pay than warehouse work so that has to be taken into account as well.
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nead1 30 Mar 21 11.45am | |
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What this case actually relates to is equal pay for work of equal value; if it goes to an employment tribunal to judge, they will likely use some form of job evaluation to come to a judgement re the value of the different roles and whether they can be perceived as of "equal value" taking account of the very different work involved. The issue, of course, will affect not just Asda but all supermarkets - hence the judgement one way or other will be highly significant. All that has happened thus far is that it has been agreed the case can go to court - no judgement has been made and I suspect this will run on for years given the appeals process etc. Very high stakes for both employers and unions.
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orpingtoneagle Orpington 30 Mar 21 1.52pm | |
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Originally posted by HKOwen
Equal work is not a requirement for equal pay. Look at the world of professional tennis Tennis players are not employees (but the discrepancies very real.)
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