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Palace Old Geezer Flag Midhurst 24 Mar 21 1.31pm Send a Private Message to Palace Old Geezer Add Palace Old Geezer as a friend

It's a funny old world - technology advances faster than ever - but we now spend more on LPs than streaming music.

Sales of vinyl LPs increased by 30% in 2020 making more money for record labels than at any time since 1989.

Do you have a vinyl collection and enjoy the ritual of playing them or do you prefer the simplicity of streaming and CDs?

 


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DanH Flag SW2 24 Mar 21 1.34pm Send a Private Message to DanH Add DanH as a friend

Yep! Got a pretty decent collection going and my pub money over the last 12 months has tended to go on records.

Outside of going to see them live buying a vinyl is the best way to put money in the artists’ pockets as they get f*ck all from streaming so try to help them out, especially smaller and less established bands and acts.

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 24 Mar 21 2.20pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

I am rather cynical about the vinyl thing.
A record is a solid object that can be sold at a ridiculously inflated price. The record companies love them. It's a taste of the old days before people did illegal downloads.

Now the quality is a different subject. Many claim vinyl sounds the best.

Does it really?

First you have only six tracks a side, so you have to get up and turn it over. Second you have a very limited way of listening to music. One album at a time. Then you have compression of groves on the tracks nearer the label which reduces quality. Then you have the dust and the crackles and the skips.

What about the actual sound? Well vinyl is analogue from start to finish, apart from the recording process which on new material is almost always digital nowadays. On digital files and CDs, the sound is produced digitally, but by the time it hits your ears, it has been converted to analogue.

So everything you hear is analogue no matter what, but what about the effect of digital recording versus physical vinyl.
The answer is that digital music comes in various forms. CD's have limited information but produce the sound using a few cheats. Audio files come in a variety of types that are better or worse depending on the information stored. Then, you have the equipment you are playing it on which is very important but maybe more important is the quality of the recording in the first place. If it was crap in the recording studio then it will stay crap no mater how you listen to it.

Vinyl is limited physically by the pressing and condition. Like any other format, it is a representation of a recording which itself is the consequence of other equipment, environment and studio tweaking. There is no 'real' sound. It is a recording. Vinyl is no more 'real' than anything else. It is more about what you are used to hearing.

I use 24bit audio files when available, and can listen to music at the press of a button, selecting tracks and albums randomly or selectively in an instant. I don't need a load of space to store vinyl or to get up of the chair every two seconds.
Is the sound better? Well I have compared 24bit hi res files to vinyl and in the end it is a matter of taste. I'd go for the hi res all day in most cases but better still, you can convert vinyl records to hi res digital files.

What's not to like?
The results are still varied as you would expect because of other factors as mentioned.

OK, I'm done.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (24 Mar 2021 2.24pm)

 

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Teddy Eagle Flag 24 Mar 21 2.49pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend


I got rid of almost all my vinyl years ago but I can’t imagine recapturing the thrill of sifting through racks in second hand shops.
Cheapo Cheapo in Rupert St and the Record & Tape Exchange at Notting Hill were my favourites.

 

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Fatherken Flag 24 Mar 21 2.58pm Send a Private Message to Fatherken Add Fatherken as a friend

I feel sorry for you to have to get up and do anything let alone turn a recorded over .
I do prefer vinyl the feel the sound including the scratches . You also with an album listen to the whole thing not just selected tracks and there are great tracks that never get played because some producer does not like it or have not been paid by the record company .

 

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baldeagle73 Flag Leamington spa 24 Mar 21 2.59pm Send a Private Message to baldeagle73 Add baldeagle73 as a friend

I’ve got over 3000 records i was still buying in the 90s and early 2000s some of the stuff I have is worth a ridiculous amount of money I’m still buying at least 10 records a month

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 24 Mar 21 3.02pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle


I got rid of almost all my vinyl years ago but I can’t imagine recapturing the thrill of sifting through racks in second hand shops.
Cheapo Cheapo in Rupert St and the Record & Tape Exchange at Notting Hill were my favourites.

I think hunting down vinyl in record stores in the old way is a subject unto itself.

Those were the days.

 

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Palace Old Geezer Flag Midhurst 24 Mar 21 3.02pm Send a Private Message to Palace Old Geezer Add Palace Old Geezer as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I am rather cynical about the vinyl thing.
A record is a solid object that can be sold at a ridiculously inflated price. The record companies love them. It's a taste of the old days before people did illegal downloads.

Now the quality is a different subject. Many claim vinyl sounds the best.

Does it really?

First you have only six tracks a side, so you have to get up and turn it over. Second you have a very limited way of listening to music. One album at a time. Then you have compression of groves on the tracks nearer the label which reduces quality. Then you have the dust and the crackles and the skips.

What about the actual sound? Well vinyl is analogue from start to finish, apart from the recording process which on new material is almost always digital nowadays. On digital files and CDs, the sound is produced digitally, but by the time it hits your ears, it has been converted to analogue.

So everything you hear is analogue no matter what, but what about the effect of digital recording versus physical vinyl.
The answer is that digital music comes in various forms. CD's have limited information but produce the sound using a few cheats. Audio files come in a variety of types that are better or worse depending on the information stored. Then, you have the equipment you are playing it on which is very important but maybe more important is the quality of the recording in the first place. If it was crap in the recording studio then it will stay crap no mater how you listen to it.

Vinyl is limited physically by the pressing and condition. Like any other format, it is a representation of a recording which itself is the consequence of other equipment, environment and studio tweaking. There is no 'real' sound. It is a recording. Vinyl is no more 'real' than anything else. It is more about what you are used to hearing.

I use 24bit audio files when available, and can listen to music at the press of a button, selecting tracks and albums randomly or selectively in an instant. I don't need a load of space to store vinyl or to get up of the chair every two seconds.
Is the sound better? Well I have compared 24bit hi res files to vinyl and in the end it is a matter of taste. I'd go for the hi res all day in most cases but better still, you can convert vinyl records to hi res digital files.

What's not to like?
The results are still varied as you would expect because of other factors as mentioned.

OK, I'm done.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (24 Mar 2021 2.24pm)

I do know what you mean Hrolf, some folk get very precious about the sound quality of vinyl that's lost on me. After standing too close to speakers at rock concerts and racing engines my hearing's shot.

I just like the feel and the concept of the LP of which I have a very modest collection.

 

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Palace Old Geezer Flag Midhurst 24 Mar 21 3.05pm Send a Private Message to Palace Old Geezer Add Palace Old Geezer as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I think hunting down vinyl in record stores in the old way is a subject unto itself.

Those were the days.

Yes, cathartic isn't it? There's a place near me called Vinyl Matters, but my favourite is Ben's in Guildford.

These are still the days - when we're allowed out!

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 24 Mar 21 3.06pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Fatherken

I feel sorry for you to have to get up and do anything let alone turn a recorded over .
I do prefer vinyl the feel the sound including the scratches . You also with an album listen to the whole thing not just selected tracks and there are great tracks that never get played because some producer does not like it or have not been paid by the record company .

Each to their own. I'm much happier having my whole library at my fingertips.

Most albums have only a few good tracks anyway, but you can play a whole album on Itunes or JRiver or whatever software you prefer.

 

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DanH Flag SW2 24 Mar 21 3.09pm Send a Private Message to DanH Add DanH as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I am rather cynical about the vinyl thing.
A record is a solid object that can be sold at a ridiculously inflated price. The record companies love them. It's a taste of the old days before people did illegal downloads.

Now the quality is a different subject. Many claim vinyl sounds the best.

Does it really?

First you have only six tracks a side, so you have to get up and turn it over. Second you have a very limited way of listening to music. One album at a time. Then you have compression of groves on the tracks nearer the label which reduces quality. Then you have the dust and the crackles and the skips.

What about the actual sound? Well vinyl is analogue from start to finish, apart from the recording process which on new material is almost always digital nowadays. On digital files and CDs, the sound is produced digitally, but by the time it hits your ears, it has been converted to analogue.

So everything you hear is analogue no matter what, but what about the effect of digital recording versus physical vinyl.
The answer is that digital music comes in various forms. CD's have limited information but produce the sound using a few cheats. Audio files come in a variety of types that are better or worse depending on the information stored. Then, you have the equipment you are playing it on which is very important but maybe more important is the quality of the recording in the first place. If it was crap in the recording studio then it will stay crap no mater how you listen to it.

Vinyl is limited physically by the pressing and condition. Like any other format, it is a representation of a recording which itself is the consequence of other equipment, environment and studio tweaking. There is no 'real' sound. It is a recording. Vinyl is no more 'real' than anything else. It is more about what you are used to hearing.

I use 24bit audio files when available, and can listen to music at the press of a button, selecting tracks and albums randomly or selectively in an instant. I don't need a load of space to store vinyl or to get up of the chair every two seconds.
Is the sound better? Well I have compared 24bit hi res files to vinyl and in the end it is a matter of taste. I'd go for the hi res all day in most cases but better still, you can convert vinyl records to hi res digital files.

What's not to like?
The results are still varied as you would expect because of other factors as mentioned.

OK, I'm done.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (24 Mar 2021 2.24pm)

Not like you to be cynical about something

A lot of what you have said is right. I have a record player and sound system and the sound quality is great but it's blue tooth so can also play Spotify off my phone which happens just as often as sticking a record on. One thing I do like about vinyl is that it forces you to listen to the album in the order intended by the artist as a complete body of work rather than skipping tracks or just listening to the singles like you can with streaming.

For me, buying a record is a way of supporting the artist, especially during Covid when they cannot make money from touring. Being a musician is a not a glamorous/well paid lifestyle unless you're a mainstream artist that can sell out big venues so always try and do my bit so that they are still able to make the music that I like to listen to.

Also there's a massive pleasure of spending an hour in a record shop browsing. And the artwork looks better in the bigger size.

 

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Originally posted by Palace Old Geezer

Yes, cathartic isn't it? Therthose aspectsthe vinle's a place near me called Vinyl Matters, but my favourite is Ben's in Guildford.

These are still the days - when we're allowed out!

I reminisce about the record buying obsessions of my youthful days, but I have no desire to resurrect them.

 

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