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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 15 May 20 11.00am
I am not swayed by party politics, I just think the system is inherently flawed. (that doesn't make me a communist, either) What I would like to see is more accountability from MP's and politicians. They voted themselves an over-inflation payrise in March 2020, with considerable additional office expenses. Just for starters, I would suggest. * MP's be put on time-sheets so the electorate know how much time they are spending on constituency or parliamentary work. * Disclosure of fees paid to 'Scientific Advisors', ..or in fact any of the various 'Advisors'. I disengage, I turn the page.
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I am not swayed by party politics, I just think the system is inherently flawed. (that doesn't make me a communist, either)

What I would like to see is more accountability from MP's and politicians.
They voted themselves an over-inflation payrise in March 2020, with considerable additional office expenses.

Just for starters, I would suggest.

* MP's be put on time-sheets so the electorate know how much time they are spending on constituency or parliamentary work.

* Disclosure of fees paid to 'Scientific Advisors', ..or in fact any of the various 'Advisors'.

I disengage, I turn the page.

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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 15 May 20 1.31pm
You can't believe anything these days. Especially on an internet football forum. Who who have thought thought, people telling lies on social media ? or in politics. I disengage, I turn the page.
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in a hidey-hole 15 May 20 1.31pm

You can't believe anything these days. Especially on an internet football forum.

Who who have thought thought, people telling lies on social media ? or in politics.

I disengage, I turn the page.

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Badger11 Beckenham 15 May 20 1.44pm
Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly I am not swayed by party politics, I just think the system is inherently flawed. (that doesn't make me a communist, either) What I would like to see is more accountability from MP's and politicians. They voted themselves an over-inflation payrise in March 2020, with considerable additional office expenses. Just for starters, I would suggest. * MP's be put on time-sheets so the electorate know how much time they are spending on constituency or parliamentary work. * Disclosure of fees paid to 'Scientific Advisors', ..or in fact any of the various 'Advisors'. They could start with a proper job description after all the rest of us have one something like: - Minimum number of hours doing constituency work - Minimum number of hours doing Parliamentary work - Minimum number of constituency meetings - They should provide a quarterly update to their constituents what they achieved in the last quarter and what they expect to achieve in the next quarter. The rest of us have a proper job description against which we are assessed and paid accordingly. I don't see why this doesn't apply to them as well. One more point
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Beckenham 15 May 20 1.44pm

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

I am not swayed by party politics, I just think the system is inherently flawed. (that doesn't make me a communist, either)

What I would like to see is more accountability from MP's and politicians.
They voted themselves an over-inflation payrise in March 2020, with considerable additional office expenses.

Just for starters, I would suggest.

* MP's be put on time-sheets so the electorate know how much time they are spending on constituency or parliamentary work.

* Disclosure of fees paid to 'Scientific Advisors', ..or in fact any of the various 'Advisors'.

They could start with a proper job description after all the rest of us have one something like:

- Minimum number of hours doing constituency work
- Minimum number of hours doing Parliamentary work
- Minimum number of constituency meetings
- They should provide a quarterly update to their constituents what they achieved in the last quarter and what they expect to achieve in the next quarter.

The rest of us have a proper job description against which we are assessed and paid accordingly. I don't see why this doesn't apply to them as well.

One more point

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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 15 May 20 3.10pm
One thing that bothers me is lies in the manifesto. Some are downright fabricated just to get votes. I think I've said it before but how about they are only allowed to put measured and timed actual targets into the manifesto? - making it a real document. Then, when after 12 months what was promised is not delivered - a new election. As someone else said, we have measured things to do, targets to meet, and if we don't do it - we soon hear about it, or even just get the boot. The other thing that Westminster needs is some kind of proportional representation, so that the number of votes a party gets - would give them some representation. Mathematically: it is possible in the current system to get the most votes overall but actually have no seats at all! Seems mad, but if you finished second in most constituencies - that is exactly what could happen. As a caveat to that, the seats generally mirror the amount of votes; but this scenario could change in the current political climes. Red and Blue Army!
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Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 15 May 20 3.10pm

One thing that bothers me is lies in the manifesto. Some are downright fabricated just to get votes.

I think I've said it before but how about they are only allowed to put measured and timed actual targets into the manifesto? - making it a real document.

Then, when after 12 months what was promised is not delivered - a new election. As someone else said, we have measured things to do, targets to meet, and if we don't do it - we soon hear about it, or even just get the boot.

The other thing that Westminster needs is some kind of proportional representation, so that the number of votes a party gets - would give them some representation. Mathematically: it is possible in the current system to get the most votes overall but actually have no seats at all! Seems mad, but if you finished second in most constituencies - that is exactly what could happen. As a caveat to that, the seats generally mirror the amount of votes; but this scenario could change in the current political climes.

Red and Blue Army!

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chris123 hove actually 15 May 20 3.30pm
Originally posted by ASCPFC One thing that bothers me is lies in the manifesto. Some are downright fabricated just to get votes. I think I've said it before but how about they are only allowed to put measured and timed actual targets into the manifesto? - making it a real document. Then, when after 12 months what was promised is not delivered - a new election. As someone else said, we have measured things to do, targets to meet, and if we don't do it - we soon hear about it, or even just get the boot. The other thing that Westminster needs is some kind of proportional representation, so that the number of votes a party gets - would give them some representation. Mathematically: it is possible in the current system to get the most votes overall but actually have no seats at all! Seems mad, but if you finished second in most constituencies - that is exactly what could happen. As a caveat to that, the seats generally mirror the amount of votes; but this scenario could change in the current political climes. There was the Labour pledge last year, it was to the women born in the 50's who lost a when the retirement ages shifted for state pension - and that was after the manifesto was issued.
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hove actually 15 May 20 3.30pm

Originally posted by ASCPFC

One thing that bothers me is lies in the manifesto. Some are downright fabricated just to get votes.

I think I've said it before but how about they are only allowed to put measured and timed actual targets into the manifesto? - making it a real document.

There was the Labour pledge last year, it was to the women born in the 50's who lost a when the retirement ages shifted for state pension - and that was after the manifesto was issued.

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cryrst The garden of England 15 May 20 7.24pm
85k plus expenses and every forum thinks they can do more hours and a better job. I wouldn't want the permanent abuse ,whichever colour flag you fly. You do know 200k isnt really a bundle. For me and you guys maybe but the bigger picture is it isnt a lot for the responsibility and more serious accountability they have. Shove it, i will stick to my salary and struggle through without looking over mine or my whole families shoulder 24/7.
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The garden of England 15 May 20 7.24pm

85k plus expenses and every forum thinks they can do more hours and a better job. I wouldn't want the permanent abuse ,whichever colour flag you fly.
You do know 200k isnt really a bundle. For me and you guys maybe but the bigger picture is it isnt a lot for the responsibility and more serious accountability they have. Shove it, i will stick to my salary and struggle through without looking over mine or my whole families shoulder 24/7.

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YT Oxford 15 May 20 8.04pm
Originally posted by ASCPFC One thing that bothers me is lies in the manifesto. Some are downright fabricated just to get votes. I think I've said it before but how about they are only allowed to put measured and timed actual targets into the manifesto? - making it a real document. Then, when after 12 months what was promised is not delivered - a new election. As someone else said, we have measured things to do, targets to meet, and if we don't do it - we soon hear about it, or even just get the boot. The other thing that Westminster needs is some kind of proportional representation, so that the number of votes a party gets - would give them some representation. Mathematically: it is possible in the current system to get the most votes overall but actually have no seats at all! Seems mad, but if you finished second in most constituencies - that is exactly what could happen. As a caveat to that, the seats generally mirror the amount of votes; but this scenario could change in the current political climes. So MPs are just like footballers then. They keep their job for a fixed period no matter how crap they are. Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)
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Oxford 15 May 20 8.04pm

Originally posted by ASCPFC

One thing that bothers me is lies in the manifesto. Some are downright fabricated just to get votes.

I think I've said it before but how about they are only allowed to put measured and timed actual targets into the manifesto? - making it a real document.

Then, when after 12 months what was promised is not delivered - a new election. As someone else said, we have measured things to do, targets to meet, and if we don't do it - we soon hear about it, or even just get the boot.

So MPs are just like footballers then. They keep their job for a fixed period no matter how crap they are.

Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)

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cryrst The garden of England 16 May 20 6.05am
Originally posted by YT So MPs are just like footballers then. They keep their job for a fixed period no matter how crap they are. That's every work place if you think about it. Hard to get rid now.
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The garden of England 16 May 20 6.05am

Originally posted by YT

So MPs are just like footballers then. They keep their job for a fixed period no matter how crap they are.

That's every work place if you think about it.
Hard to get rid now.

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Midlands Eagle 16 May 20 7.19am
Originally posted by cryrst 85k plus expenses and every forum thinks they can do more hours and a better job. There are a few on this forum that seem to think that they would do a better job with one in particular knowing far more than anyone in government, science or medicine judging by his comments.
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Originally posted by cryrst

85k plus expenses and every forum thinks they can do more hours and a better job.

There are a few on this forum that seem to think that they would do a better job with one in particular knowing far more than anyone in government, science or medicine judging by his comments.

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Badger11 Beckenham 16 May 20 7.30am
Originally posted by cryrst 85k plus expenses and every forum thinks they can do more hours and a better job. I wouldn't want the permanent abuse ,whichever colour flag you fly. You do know 200k isnt really a bundle. For me and you guys maybe but the bigger picture is it isnt a lot for the responsibility and more serious accountability they have. Shove it, i will stick to my salary and struggle through without looking over mine or my whole families shoulder 24/7. How do you judge if an MP is doing a good job when they don't have a detailed job description. I'm not saying I could do a better job but it would be nice if we could benchmark them against some form of a standard after all we are their employers. One more point
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Beckenham 16 May 20 7.30am

Originally posted by cryrst

How do you judge if an MP is doing a good job when they don't have a detailed job description. I'm not saying I could do a better job but it would be nice if we could benchmark them against some form of a standard after all we are their employers.

One more point

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DanH SW2 16 May 20 8.55am
They don’t do it for the money. They do it for the power and their ego. A handful do it because they want to serve the public.
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SW2 16 May 20 8.55am

They don’t do it for the money. They do it for the power and their ego. A handful do it because they want to serve the public.

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cryrst The garden of England 16 May 20 9.31am
Originally posted by Badger11 How do you judge if an MP is doing a good job when they don't have a detailed job description. I'm not saying I could do a better job but it would be nice if we could benchmark them against some form of a standard after all we are their employers. You cant benchmark success when the public are your accountability. There is always one idiot.
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The garden of England 16 May 20 9.31am

Originally posted by Badger11

You cant benchmark success when the public are your accountability. There is always one idiot.

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