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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 18 Jun 19 7.05am
,..or EEEran, if you are American. I don't see a way out of this one, apart from military action. Trump has tried sanctions, but blame is now being put on Iran for tanker explosions, and now nuclear violations [Link] "The US military will send an additional 1,000 troops to the Middle East as tensions build with Iran. Acting Defence Secretary Patrick Shanahan said the deployment was in response to what he described as "hostile behaviour" by Iranian forces. The US Navy also shared new images it says link Iran to recent oil tanker attacks in the Gulf of Oman. Iran announced on Monday it would no longer comply with part of the 2015 deal on curbing its nuclear ambitions. It said it would breach a limit agreed with international powers on its enriched uranium stockpiles by 27 June." (BBC website) Saudi Arabia is also 5hlt-stirring. No doubt loads of American and UK arms will be sold to 'sort it'. I disengage, I turn the page.
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,..or EEEran, if you are American.

I don't see a way out of this one, apart from military action.
Trump has tried sanctions, but blame is now being put on Iran for tanker explosions, and now nuclear violations

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"The US military will send an additional 1,000 troops to the Middle East as tensions build with Iran.

Acting Defence Secretary Patrick Shanahan said the deployment was in response to what he described as "hostile behaviour" by Iranian forces.

The US Navy also shared new images it says link Iran to recent oil tanker attacks in the Gulf of Oman.

Iran announced on Monday it would no longer comply with part of the 2015 deal on curbing its nuclear ambitions.

It said it would breach a limit agreed with international powers on its enriched uranium stockpiles by 27 June." (BBC website)

Saudi Arabia is also 5hlt-stirring. No doubt loads of American and UK arms will be sold to 'sort it'.

I disengage, I turn the page.

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dannyboy1978 18 Jun 19 7.21am
Looks like the US doesn't need the oil any way. [Link]
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18 Jun 19 7.21am

Looks like the US doesn't need the oil any way.
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Badger11 Beckenham 18 Jun 19 7.56am
If Trump wants to build a wall I suggest he does it around the Middle East, nothing but trouble out there. I don't want us to get involved in this at all. It could be that Iran is behind these attacks or it could be that we are being played by the Israeli's or the Saudi's. To be honest I don't care and we will probably never know for certain. For once I think Corbyn is right nobody knows nothing. We're not the world police. One more point
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If Trump wants to build a wall I suggest he does it around the Middle East, nothing but trouble out there.

I don't want us to get involved in this at all. It could be that Iran is behind these attacks or it could be that we are being played by the Israeli's or the Saudi's. To be honest I don't care and we will probably never know for certain. For once I think Corbyn is right nobody knows nothing.

We're not the world police.

One more point

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matthau South Croydon 18 Jun 19 8.46am
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Stirlingsays 18 Jun 19 9.28am
Originally posted by matthau Truth Yep.....if Iran is really behind those attacks it's playing with fire. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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18 Jun 19 9.28am

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Yep.....if Iran is really behind those attacks it's playing with fire.

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Stirlingsays 18 Jun 19 9.35am
Originally posted by Badger11 If Trump wants to build a wall I suggest he does it around the Middle East, nothing but trouble out there. I don't want us to get involved in this at all. It could be that Iran is behind these attacks or it could be that we are being played by the Israeli's or the Saudi's. To be honest I don't care and we will probably never know for certain. For once I think Corbyn is right nobody knows nothing. We're not the world police. Once nukes were invented and became international......I'm not so sure the isolationist mindset helps. The truth of these events is about as important as drunks providing investment advice. The main actors will act how they see fit. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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18 Jun 19 9.35am

Originally posted by Badger11

If Trump wants to build a wall I suggest he does it around the Middle East, nothing but trouble out there.

Once nukes were invented and became international......I'm not so sure the isolationist mindset helps.

The truth of these events is about as important as drunks providing investment advice. The main actors will act how they see fit.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Hrolf The Ganger 18 Jun 19 11.24am
There will be a lot of pressure for military action. Iran is trying to hoodwink the west about nuclear capability. The Hawks will be pressing action. The Neocons/industrial military complex will be thinking about profit. There is a big threat to local and possibly global peace if Iran were to obtain nuclear capability. The US has never forgotten the loss of American lives in the Iran hostage crisis. Whether the tanker attacks are real or not, the writing is on the wall.
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There will be a lot of pressure for military action.

Iran is trying to hoodwink the west about nuclear capability.

The Hawks will be pressing action.

The Neocons/industrial military complex will be thinking about profit.

There is a big threat to local and possibly global peace if Iran were to obtain nuclear capability.

The US has never forgotten the loss of American lives in the Iran hostage crisis.

Whether the tanker attacks are real or not, the writing is on the wall.

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Stirlingsays 18 Jun 19 11.42am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger There will be a lot of pressure for military action. Iran is trying to hoodwink the west about nuclear capability. The Hawks will be pressing action. The Neocons/industrial military complex will be thinking about profit. There is a big threat to local and possibly global peace if Iran were to obtain nuclear capability. The US has never forgotten the loss of American lives in the Iran hostage crisis. Whether the tanker attacks are real or not, the writing is on the wall. Personally I'm not seeing a full on war, 'feet on the ground' invasion war....from the US anyway. From a Neocon and both a Sunni perspective I can see the logic of a war however. The last chance to get rid of Iran's theocratic leadership before genuine nuclear capacity. The exercise of US military systems and personnel in real theatre with the long term boast that gives....both in the dodgy and real sense. You can look at the Iraq situation and say that the US got rid of Saddam for the blood trade of a few thousand troops.....most of which they could have avoided if they had made better post regime change decisions. Personally I'd stick to backing anti regime democratic groups within Iran.....but we have probably been doing that for some time and their internal police state is probably too effective. Interesting and worrying in equal measure....whichever way things go it's one of those global situations which is a potential powder keg with a timer on it. Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Jun 2019 11.44am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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18 Jun 19 11.42am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

There will be a lot of pressure for military action.

Iran is trying to hoodwink the west about nuclear capability.

The Hawks will be pressing action.

The Neocons/industrial military complex will be thinking about profit.

There is a big threat to local and possibly global peace if Iran were to obtain nuclear capability.

The US has never forgotten the loss of American lives in the Iran hostage crisis.

Whether the tanker attacks are real or not, the writing is on the wall.

Personally I'm not seeing a full on war, 'feet on the ground' invasion war....from the US anyway.

From a Neocon and both a Sunni perspective I can see the logic of a war however.

The last chance to get rid of Iran's theocratic leadership before genuine nuclear capacity.

The exercise of US military systems and personnel in real theatre with the long term boast that gives....both in the dodgy and real sense.

You can look at the Iraq situation and say that the US got rid of Saddam for the blood trade of a few thousand troops.....most of which they could have avoided if they had made better post regime change decisions.

Personally I'd stick to backing anti regime democratic groups within Iran.....but we have probably been doing that for some time and their internal police state is probably too effective.

Interesting and worrying in equal measure....whichever way things go it's one of those global situations which is a potential powder keg with a timer on it.

Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Jun 2019 11.44am)

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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 18 Jun 19 12.32pm
I tend to think Stirling is on the right track. A weapons-testing arena is good for sales and publicity. Alternatively,..arming revolutionist groups would also be a 'good' way to go. In the wake of massive potential sales of arms to Saudi Arabia/The Gulf,....has anyone thought of donating £1 to save a child in Yemen ? I disengage, I turn the page.
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I tend to think Stirling is on the right track. A weapons-testing arena is good for sales and publicity.
Alternatively,..arming revolutionist groups would also be a 'good' way to go.

In the wake of massive potential sales of arms to Saudi Arabia/The Gulf,....has anyone thought of donating £1 to save a child in Yemen ?

I disengage, I turn the page.

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Hrolf The Ganger 18 Jun 19 12.53pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Personally I'm not seeing a full on war, 'feet on the ground' invasion war....from the US anyway. From a Neocon and both a Sunni perspective I can see the logic of a war however. The last chance to get rid of Iran's theocratic leadership before genuine nuclear capacity. The exercise of US military systems and personnel in real theatre with the long term boast that gives....both in the dodgy and real sense. You can look at the Iraq situation and say that the US got rid of Saddam for the blood trade of a few thousand troops.....most of which they could have avoided if they had made better post regime change decisions. Personally I'd stick to backing anti regime democratic groups within Iran.....but we have probably been doing that for some time and their internal police state is probably too effective. Interesting and worrying in equal measure....whichever way things go it's one of those global situations which is a potential powder keg with a timer on it. Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Jun 2019 11.44am) Heavy casualties are no longer acceptable to the voter so I would imagine that you are right. Any ground action would be very limited and in secret. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (18 Jun 2019 12.54pm)
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18 Jun 19 12.53pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Personally I'm not seeing a full on war, 'feet on the ground' invasion war....from the US anyway.

From a Neocon and both a Sunni perspective I can see the logic of a war however.

The last chance to get rid of Iran's theocratic leadership before genuine nuclear capacity.

The exercise of US military systems and personnel in real theatre with the long term boast that gives....both in the dodgy and real sense.

Personally I'd stick to backing anti regime democratic groups within Iran.....but we have probably been doing that for some time and their internal police state is probably too effective.

Interesting and worrying in equal measure....whichever way things go it's one of those global situations which is a potential powder keg with a timer on it.

Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Jun 2019 11.44am)

Heavy casualties are no longer acceptable to the voter so I would imagine that you are right. Any ground action would be very limited and in secret.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (18 Jun 2019 12.54pm)

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Stirlingsays 18 Jun 19 1.02pm
Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly I tend to think Stirling is on the right track. A weapons-testing arena is good for sales and publicity. Alternatively,..arming revolutionist groups would also be a 'good' way to go. In the wake of massive potential sales of arms to Saudi Arabia/The Gulf,....has anyone thought of donating £1 to save a child in Yemen ? It's an honorable comment.....though the future of Yemeni children is the responsibility of Yemen. That said, humanity is its own principle. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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18 Jun 19 1.02pm

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

I tend to think Stirling is on the right track. A weapons-testing arena is good for sales and publicity.
Alternatively,..arming revolutionist groups would also be a 'good' way to go.

In the wake of massive potential sales of arms to Saudi Arabia/The Gulf,....has anyone thought of donating £1 to save a child in Yemen ?

It's an honorable comment.....though the future of Yemeni children is the responsibility of Yemen.

That said, humanity is its own principle.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 18 Jun 19 5.33pm
My comment was taking the pl55, about Yemeni children. Fighting the massive Wonga of the arms industry is a pointless endeavour. The next conflict (whether publicised or covert), will be about political-$$$, and not about oil. EEEEran is in for a monetary beating. I disengage, I turn the page.
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My comment was taking the pl55, about Yemeni children.

Fighting the massive Wonga of the arms industry is a pointless endeavour.

The next conflict (whether publicised or covert), will be about political-$$$, and not about oil.
EEEEran is in for a monetary beating.

I disengage, I turn the page.

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