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Jefroc Flag Crete 15 Jan 19 5.58pm Send a Private Message to Jefroc Add Jefroc as a friend

I watched the City Wolves game live on tv last night. I personally did not think Boly should have got a card let alone a red. I know a lot of people disagree but........

When he made contact with the ball Bernardo was a good 12 inches away from both the ball and Boly.

Bernardo was late on the ball and consequently he was the one who made contact with Boly and not vice versa.

Boly had one foot (“studs showing”) in the air in order to clear the ball. His trailing leg and foot were in the ground.

To me not even a foul. But as I say people disagree (although interestingly not Andy Gray - rare he and I agree!) however let me make a few other points:

What a stupid idea that because your studs are showing you have made a reckless challenge. Say Tomkins makes a precise tackle on an attacker by coming in from the side and clears the ball from the strikers feet with his “studs showing”. “What a great tackle” say the pundits. No foul, no card nothing but praise. So the idea that someone who “shows their studs” is automatically reckless and commits a foul is nonsense. The attacker was not touched albeit perhaps he fell over Tomkins but the pundits say “the defender got to the ball first - no foul”.

Then there is the phrase “out of control”. Okay, so the striker takes a flying header and scores a goal. He has no contact with the ground whatsoever so he is “out of control”. Should that not mean the goal is disallowed?

And what if that “out of control” goal scoring striker lands clumsily on a bystanding defender; has he then committed a foul and should receive a red card?

Yellow and red cards should be given for dangerous injury threatening tackles (as well as time wasting, professional fouls etc).

So IMO Boly should not have been sent off.

Mind you City would probably have won but then again when Palace were 1-0 down Wolves fans would have said the same!

 


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ChrisGC Flag Wantage 15 Jan 19 11.42pm

Red for me.
One of those that if you get the ball (which he did) it looks ok. If you get it wrong, you end a career.

As soon as both feet come of the ground he's putting the outcome into the hands of the gods.

That said, I do like a good challenge. AWB has been putting in some excellent, old school slide tackles this year, nothing better.

 

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chateauferret Flag 16 Jan 19 12.08am

Originally posted by ChrisGC

As soon as both feet come of the ground he's putting the outcome into the hands of the gods.

Although the referee's word is (generally) final it's surprising how many referees seem to aspire to this high office.

 


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Jefroc Flag Crete 16 Jan 19 5.15am Send a Private Message to Jefroc Add Jefroc as a friend

Originally posted by ChrisGC

Red for me.
One of those that if you get the ball (which he did) it looks ok. If you get it wrong, you end a career.

As soon as both feet come of the ground he's putting the outcome into the hands of the gods.

That said, I do like a good challenge. AWB has been putting in some excellent, old school slide tackles this year, nothing better.

That is my point! A defender gets it right and it is a well timed tackle. The midfielder gets the ball and it is a red card. Any challenge can result in an injury; part of the game. It is the malicious intent or dangerous result that needs punishing.

I do not think you should punish “what ifs” and “maybes”.

 


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cardiff eagle Flag 16 Jan 19 7.36am Send a Private Message to cardiff eagle Add cardiff eagle as a friend

I think it’s either no card or a red as essentially it comes down to was it reckless and endangering or not.

For me, it’s also no card. His feet were on the ground, looked in control and there was no scissor motion etc. Plus he won the ball. Good challenge in my eyes but I’m old school.

 

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eagleman13 Flag On The Road To Hell & Alicante 16 Jan 19 8.51am Send a Private Message to eagleman13 Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add eagleman13 as a friend

Thank god ive retired.

 


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manwitheagletattoo Flag Somewhere in England 16 Jan 19 8.54am Send a Private Message to manwitheagletattoo Add manwitheagletattoo as a friend

A very harsh desion in my eyes, Boly got first contact on the ball he won the ball. When you are committed to a 50-50 ball like that and win the ball you cannot not help the follow through. Bernardo on the other hand made a meal of the tackle rolling around on the ground like he had been shot in a pheasant shooting competition.

Vincent Kompany tackle on Salah on the other hand was discussing and deserved a straight red.

How Sterling won City that penalty that night came out of the Jacques Cousteau manual of deep sea diving, and they have the cheek to call Zaha a diver

Edited by manwitheagletattoo (16 Jan 2019 8.59am)

 


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stuckinbristol Flag In the woodwork. 16 Jan 19 9.39am Send a Private Message to stuckinbristol Add stuckinbristol as a friend

The fact that he turned his body sideways makes the tackle look worse. There was a lot of force in the tackle, resulting in the follow through, and (albeit slight) contact on the opposition player.
Like others on here, in my playing days that would have been deemed a good solid tackle, however everybody knows that it is not the case now.

 

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ChrisGC Flag Wantage 16 Jan 19 4.20pm

Originally posted by chateauferret

Although the referee's word is (generally) final it's surprising how many referees seem to aspire to this high office.

Absolutely.

On a side note, I don't think VAR will ever work whilst there is this bizarre culture among referees of 'game management' in England rather than objectively enforcing the rules, and the decision is referred to a fellow referee, also looking at the incident driven by this subjective mantra.

Look at Battenburg's comments about "the battle of the bridge". Nothing short of match fixing.

 

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