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PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 30 Oct 18 1.07pm Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

well, being a gram or two lighter, he may run faster over 95 minutes.


what are your thoughts ?

a pacifist hero standing up against unbridled imperial corporate militarism ?
or
a 'Ra t0sser just being difficult to stir up sectarian sh1t ?

or both, or neither ?

personal thoughts.
We should honour the fallen on all sides of WW1 and WW2. But not do anything to encourage the next war starting next week somewhere..again for the umpteenth time.


korea, falklands, belize, iraq, afghanistan, syria, ...the list seems endless.

McClean is a Catholic from Derry. Much background baggage there for sure. Condemn or condone him ? probably neither.

is he a Nelson Mandela/Ghandi or is he a Martin McGuinness ?

your thoughts ?


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Edited by PalazioVecchio (30 Oct 2018 1.12pm)

 


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DanH Flag SW2 30 Oct 18 1.18pm Send a Private Message to DanH Add DanH as a friend

That it's a personal decision to wear one or not. One he's articulated well and should be respected.

And that this is not news every single year.

Edited by DanH (30 Oct 2018 1.18pm)

 

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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 30 Oct 18 1.20pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

He explained his stance in a WBA programme whilst he was playing for them :

“People say I am being disrespectful but don’t ask why I choose not to wear it,” McClean wrote.

“If the poppy was simply about World War One and Two victims alone, I’d wear it without a problem.

“I would wear it every day of the year if that was the thing but it doesn’t. It stands for all the conflicts that Britain has been involved in. Because of the history where I come from in Derry, I cannot wear something that represents that.”

Edited by Willo (30 Oct 2018 1.20pm)

 

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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 30 Oct 18 1.37pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

I will be selling poppies again next week as I have done for the last few years.

I have no problem with him or even Corbyn for not wearing one it is a matter of personal conscience.

I do have a problem with people and organisations that object to me wearing one.

 


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aquickgame2 Flag Beni = summer,Caribbean = winter 31 Oct 18 7.44am Send a Private Message to aquickgame2 Add aquickgame2 as a friend

Saw a letter he wrote to (I think it was to the Wigan chairman ) that explained very well why he couldn't wear a poppy.

All to do with the troubles in NI and Bloody Sunday in Derry where he was from...made sense from his perspective

 

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MKGlazier Flag Milton Keynes 31 Oct 18 8.26am Send a Private Message to MKGlazier Add MKGlazier as a friend

I would maybe respect his decision if he played international football for his own country, Northern Ireland. Just another hypocritical b****** !!

 

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the_mcanuff_stuff Flag Caterham 31 Oct 18 9.35am Send a Private Message to the_mcanuff_stuff Add the_mcanuff_stuff as a friend

Originally posted by MKGlazier

I would maybe respect his decision if he played international football for his own country, Northern Ireland. Just another hypocritical b****** !!

He regards himself as Irish and plays for the ROI. All Irish people (including those from Ulster) can get Irish citizenship.

You may not agree with it, but I fail to see how it is hypocritical? It seems to me that his actions are completely consistent with his stated views.

Also, you would "respect his decision" not to wear a poppy? Is it now mandatory, everyone must wear a poppy or suffer the consequences.

Surely this is something people should be free to opt into, not something expected by default, which people should get hounded for if they opt out of?

 

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kingdowieonthewall Flag Sussex, ex-Cronx. 31 Oct 18 9.52am Send a Private Message to kingdowieonthewall Add kingdowieonthewall as a friend

its londonderry actually


 


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Tom-the-eagle Flag Croydon 31 Oct 18 10.19am

Originally posted by Badger11

I will be selling poppies again next week as I have done for the last few years.

I have no problem with him or even Corbyn for not wearing one it is a matter of personal conscience.

I do have a problem with people and organisations that object to me wearing one.

Completely agree with this and good for you for selling poppies mate.

Out of interest, have you experienced any first hand resistance to selling them yourself?

 


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JRW2 Flag Dulwich 31 Oct 18 10.34am Send a Private Message to JRW2 Add JRW2 as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11


I have no problem with him or even Corbyn for not wearing one it is a matter of personal conscience.

I do have a problem with people and organisations that object to me wearing one.


And I have a problem with television companies, all of whose on-screen employees seem with one accord - and three weeks ahead of Armistice Day - to start wearing a poppy. Some years ago the BBC vehemently denied that it put out an edict on this issue, but it's hard not to think that some "moral" pressure is exerted. As stated above, and by others on this thread, wearing a poppy is - or at least should be - a matter of personal choice - which is one of the things that our ancestors fought for.

 

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the_mcanuff_stuff Flag Caterham 31 Oct 18 11.55am Send a Private Message to the_mcanuff_stuff Add the_mcanuff_stuff as a friend

Originally posted by JRW2


And I have a problem with television companies, all of whose on-screen employees seem with one accord - and three weeks ahead of Armistice Day - to start wearing a poppy. Some years ago the BBC vehemently denied that it put out an edict on this issue, but it's hard not to think that some "moral" pressure is exerted. As stated above, and by others on this thread, wearing a poppy is - or at least should be - a matter of personal choice - which is one of the things that our ancestors fought for.

Totally agree. It's akin to saying you don't love Palace for not standing when the crowd sing "stand up if you love Palace". Or if you don't like/share that facebook post that says "we think child rapists are bad, share/like if you agree" it means that you don't think child rapists are bad. Let people wear a poppy if they choose to and don't demonise those that don't.

 

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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 31 Oct 18 12.08pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle

Completely agree with this and good for you for selling poppies mate.

Out of interest, have you experienced any first hand resistance to selling them yourself?

No I haven't, there again it is Bromley high street. The council and the shops make a big effort normally the trees and lamppost have large poppies. I am not sure I would like to do it in Lewisham where the council makes no effort at all.

Generally either people ignore me (fair enough) or buy one and say nice things about the troops. I am not an aggressive tin rattler / chugger I cannot stand them. Like most volunteers i stand quietly and out of the way, you have to come to me if you wish to buy otherwise just keep on walking.

If anyone is interested in volunteering go to the British Legion website and they will put you in touch with your local organiser. It is only a stint of 2 hours I think I can find the time as I am retired although I appreciate if you work it is not so easy.

 


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