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cryrst The garden of England 05 Aug 18 1.09pm | |
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I am still at 51 realising how something written can be seen in at least two ways.
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Badger11 Beckenham 05 Aug 18 2.21pm | |
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I agree "tone" is really hard to do in written format. In the past I have upset people without realising because their perception of my tone is at odds with what I thought I was conveying. I think this is the case with key board warriors. Most of them would never dream to say out loud what they put in print. They don't realise just how rude they are being until you point it out then they get defensive. I try to imagine I am talking to a little old lady when I write. It doesn't always work but at least I am aware that my tone is sometimes off. I don't mind upsetting people if that is my intention it's when it's not that is the problem.
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chateauferret 06 Aug 18 10.19am | |
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English is easy to learn to a basic level because it has simple and analytical grammar, but it is hard to use well because of its rich vocabulary and subtle nuances of meaning.
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Ulysses 07 Aug 18 1.03pm | |
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There is a theory that personal communication can be split into 3 percentages: 7% actually what you say or write (words); 38% tone of voice; and a massive 55% nonverbal (body language, posture, gesture, etc.). Throw in context, and it's a potential minefield. With this in mind, no matter how hard you try to capture a particular tone when writing, relying on only approximately 7% of your communication spectrum, it's no surprise there are so many online disagreements and spats - the vast majority of which probably wouldn't lead to the same result face-to-face in the 'real' world! And also there is usually more permanency to the written word - people can re-read your words and quote you, sometimes completely out of context.
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cryrst The garden of England 07 Aug 18 2.24pm | |
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Originally posted by Ulysses
There is a theory that personal communication can be split into 3 percentages: 7% actually what you say or write (words); 38% tone of voice; and a massive 55% nonverbal (body language, posture, gesture, etc.). Throw in context, and it's a potential minefield. With this in mind, no matter how hard you try to capture a particular tone when writing, relying on only approximately 7% of your communication spectrum, it's no surprise there are so many online disagreements and spats - the vast majority of which probably wouldn't lead to the same result face-to-face in the 'real' world! And also there is usually more permanency to the written word - people can re-read your words and quote you, sometimes completely out of context. Spoken like a true thespian.
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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 18 Aug 18 9.56pm | |
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Written word. One of mankinds greatest achievements. Closely followed by p***.graphy. An English lecturer once explained how emphasis on different words can effect the understanding of a sentence. I got a greater understanding of misinterpretation of emails when I was thrown up against a wall by an ex-squaddie who held me by the throat, with a right arm primed to smash my face in. I don't lose sleep over posting on HOL. People have thick skins, unless they offer a Sainsbury's car park meet Edited by Forest Hillbilly (18 Aug 2018 9.59pm)
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YT Oxford 18 Aug 18 10.05pm | |
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly
Written word. One of mankinds greatest achievements. Closely followed by p***.graphy. An English lecturer once explained how emphasis on different words can effect the understanding of a sentence. I got a greater understanding of misinterpretation of emails when I was thrown up against a wall by an ex-squaddie who held me by the throat, with a right arm primed to smash my face in. I don't lose sleep over posting on HOL. People have thick skins, unless they offer a Sainsbury's car park meet Edited by Forest Hillbilly (18 Aug 2018 9.59pm) I trust that the lecturer said ‘affect’ rather than ‘effect’ though
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cryrst The garden of England 19 Aug 18 8.31am | |
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Originally posted by YT
I trust that the lecturer said ‘affect’ rather than ‘effect’ though I'm not sure on that one.
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Tom-the-eagle Croydon 19 Aug 18 9.00am | |
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I wouldn't worry. You've always come across as a decent poster to me.
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YT Oxford 19 Aug 18 9.06am | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
I'm not sure on that one. They are completely different words. Try this [Link]
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ex hibitionist Hastings 19 Aug 18 11.53am | |
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Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle
I wouldn't worry. You've always come across as a decent poster to me. the effects of being a grammar snob (or pronunciation or vocabulary snob) is that it may unduly affect someone's self-confidence. 'effect' is noun, 'to affect' is verb. But just to confuse matters if you implement change or improvement you can be said to 'effect' it - in this case 'effect' is a verb with a different meaning. And if someone is false, unnatural and trying to make too much of an impression they may be 'affected' - so don't worry about the second paragraph till you've cracked the first one securely. And YT slightly disappoints me as I've always found him a decent poster too up until this minor blip - hey ho, we all slip up every now and then.
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YT Oxford 19 Aug 18 3.59pm | |
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I am suitably shamed. If there is any defence, it was that I made the point in a spirit of humour (hence the emoji) but I guess I’ve managed to endorse the original premise about interpretation of the written word.
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