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cryrst Flag The garden of England 05 Aug 18 1.09pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

I am still at 51 realising how something written can be seen in at least two ways.
For good or bad.
I've upset people recently by how I have written a reply or a post.
Apologies for that sincerely.
But it is a strange phenomenon in how words and sentences are perceived.
Is it the mindset at that moment of the reader or of the writer.
This may be why they say that English is the hardest language to learn and probably to understand.
I hope there are some clever bods who can enlighten me as I'm confused .com

 

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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 05 Aug 18 2.21pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

I agree "tone" is really hard to do in written format. In the past I have upset people without realising because their perception of my tone is at odds with what I thought I was conveying.

I think this is the case with key board warriors. Most of them would never dream to say out loud what they put in print. They don't realise just how rude they are being until you point it out then they get defensive.

I try to imagine I am talking to a little old lady when I write. It doesn't always work but at least I am aware that my tone is sometimes off. I don't mind upsetting people if that is my intention it's when it's not that is the problem.

 


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chateauferret Flag 06 Aug 18 10.19am

English is easy to learn to a basic level because it has simple and analytical grammar, but it is hard to use well because of its rich vocabulary and subtle nuances of meaning.

 


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Ulysses 07 Aug 18 1.03pm Send a Private Message to Ulysses Add Ulysses as a friend

There is a theory that personal communication can be split into 3 percentages: 7% actually what you say or write (words); 38% tone of voice; and a massive 55% nonverbal (body language, posture, gesture, etc.). Throw in context, and it's a potential minefield.

With this in mind, no matter how hard you try to capture a particular tone when writing, relying on only approximately 7% of your communication spectrum, it's no surprise there are so many online disagreements and spats - the vast majority of which probably wouldn't lead to the same result face-to-face in the 'real' world!

And also there is usually more permanency to the written word - people can re-read your words and quote you, sometimes completely out of context.

 

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cryrst Flag The garden of England 07 Aug 18 2.24pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Ulysses

There is a theory that personal communication can be split into 3 percentages: 7% actually what you say or write (words); 38% tone of voice; and a massive 55% nonverbal (body language, posture, gesture, etc.). Throw in context, and it's a potential minefield.

With this in mind, no matter how hard you try to capture a particular tone when writing, relying on only approximately 7% of your communication spectrum, it's no surprise there are so many online disagreements and spats - the vast majority of which probably wouldn't lead to the same result face-to-face in the 'real' world!

And also there is usually more permanency to the written word - people can re-read your words and quote you, sometimes completely out of context.

Spoken like a true thespian.
I knew someone would explain it.

 

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Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 18 Aug 18 9.56pm Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

Written word. One of mankinds greatest achievements. Closely followed by p***.graphy.

An English lecturer once explained how emphasis on different words can effect the understanding of a sentence.
I didn't steal those cakes
I didn't steal those cakes
I didn't steal those cakes

I got a greater understanding of misinterpretation of emails when I was thrown up against a wall by an ex-squaddie who held me by the throat, with a right arm primed to smash my face in.
He had missed the sarcasm in my earlier email, and took it at face value.

I don't lose sleep over posting on HOL. People have thick skins, unless they offer a Sainsbury's car park meet

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (18 Aug 2018 9.59pm)

 


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YT Flag Oxford 18 Aug 18 10.05pm Send a Private Message to YT Add YT as a friend

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

Written word. One of mankinds greatest achievements. Closely followed by p***.graphy.

An English lecturer once explained how emphasis on different words can effect the understanding of a sentence.
I didn't steal those cakes
I didn't steal those cakes
I didn't steal those cakes

I got a greater understanding of misinterpretation of emails when I was thrown up against a wall by an ex-squaddie who held me by the throat, with a right arm primed to smash my face in.
He had missed the sarcasm in my earlier email, and took it at face value.

I don't lose sleep over posting on HOL. People have thick skins, unless they offer a Sainsbury's car park meet

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (18 Aug 2018 9.59pm)

I trust that the lecturer said ‘affect’ rather than ‘effect’ though

 


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cryrst Flag The garden of England 19 Aug 18 8.31am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by YT

I trust that the lecturer said ‘affect’ rather than ‘effect’ though

I'm not sure on that one.
In what context should either word be used.
Are they not one and the same but spelt differently.
Only asking as this is the weird way English has been described as a hard language to use.

 

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Tom-the-eagle Flag Croydon 19 Aug 18 9.00am

I wouldn't worry.

You've always come across as a decent poster to me.

 


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YT Flag Oxford 19 Aug 18 9.06am Send a Private Message to YT Add YT as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

I'm not sure on that one.
In what context should either word be used.
Are they not one and the same but spelt differently.
Only asking as this is the weird way English has been described as a hard language to use.

They are completely different words. Try this [Link]

 


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ex hibitionist Flag Hastings 19 Aug 18 11.53am Send a Private Message to ex hibitionist Add ex hibitionist as a friend

Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle

I wouldn't worry.

You've always come across as a decent poster to me.

the effects of being a grammar snob (or pronunciation or vocabulary snob) is that it may unduly affect someone's self-confidence. 'effect' is noun, 'to affect' is verb.

But just to confuse matters if you implement change or improvement you can be said to 'effect' it - in this case 'effect' is a verb with a different meaning. And if someone is false, unnatural and trying to make too much of an impression they may be 'affected' - so don't worry about the second paragraph till you've cracked the first one securely. And YT slightly disappoints me as I've always found him a decent poster too up until this minor blip - hey ho, we all slip up every now and then.

 

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YT Flag Oxford 19 Aug 18 3.59pm Send a Private Message to YT Add YT as a friend

I am suitably shamed. If there is any defence, it was that I made the point in a spirit of humour (hence the emoji) but I guess I’ve managed to endorse the original premise about interpretation of the written word.

 


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