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Brentmiester_General  Front line in the battle against t... 05 Jul 18 7.30am |
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Says Doug Stanhope. Very funny man.
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 dannyboy1978 05 Jul 18 7.49am |
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Humour for the lefties.
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Mr Fenandes  05 Jul 18 8.33am |
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Originally posted by dannyboy1978
Humour for the lefties. Touchè! Take that Doug!!!!1111oneoneone
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| Brentmiester_General Front line in the battle against t... 05 Jul 18 9.52am |
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Originally posted by dannyboy1978
Humour for the lefties. Just speaking the truth in a very humorous way. Can’t really argue with what he is saying can you?
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| Penge Eagle Beckenham 05 Jul 18 10.57am |
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There's good nationalism (cultural affiliation and ideas) and bad nationalism (race and class). Leftists and racists focus on the latter. I view nationalism as Mo Farah on a lap of honour waving the Union flag, while the left and far right views nationalism as a white skinhead waving the Union flag.
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Park Road  05 Jul 18 11.25am |
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Contrary to popular belief, nationalism is most commonly a left-wing ideology. This is partly because many people wrongly associate authoritarian 'tough' stances with right-wing politics, when left and right on the spectrum is determined entirely by economic stance. Mainly however, nationalists tend to prefer a slightly socialistic economy as opposed to a capitalistic economy. They often oppose globalisation in many forms, saying that the outsourcing of jobs to foreign lands increases unemployment in their homeland, which ultimately stifles the nation's ability to determine itself. It is no suprise then, that with that immigration and sometimes emigration is opposed. Nationalists are not only concerned with the welfare of their own nations, although they do not wish to interfere at all in that of others, because they often believe that every nation has a right to self-determination. So when mass immigration occurs in their country, they are not only concerned that this might cause a dissolution of their culture/ethnicity and a strain on the national infrastructure
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 Hrolf The Ganger 05 Jul 18 11.29am |
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Originally posted by Brentmiester_General
Just speaking the truth in a very humorous way. Can’t really argue with what he is saying can you? National pride is for all colors and creeds to embrace. That is the point of it. It unites people in a common cause or mutual interest. It has come to be defined by national borders but is basically an extension of tribalism. A nation is supposed to broadly prioritise interests that serve the majority, including themselves, over religious and other potentially divisive lesser tribalism. When that doesn't happen, the nation is undermined to the potential detriment of all. Now you might argue that we all serve the super rich and that nationalism is just a mechanism to facilitate that servitude. Maybe so to a degree, but without that system, we all have nothing. There can be no genuine equality for many reasons, so we must all find our level with the talents we have and with an acceptance that the rules of the game favour the wealthy.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 05 Jul 18 12.10pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
National pride is for all colors and creeds to embrace. That is the point of it. It unites people in a common cause or mutual interest. It has come to be defined by national borders but is basically an extension of tribalism. A nation is supposed to broadly prioritise interests that serve the majority, including themselves, over religious and other potentially divisive lesser tribalism. When that doesn't happen, the nation is undermined to the potential detriment of all. Now you might argue that we all serve the super rich and that nationalism is just a mechanism to facilitate that servitude. Maybe so to a degree, but without that system, we all have nothing. There can be no genuine equality for many reasons, so we must all find our level with the talents we have and with an acceptance that the rules of the game favour the wealthy. You are confusing nationalism with national pride. Nationalism is an extreme form of patriotism marked by a feeling of superiority over other countries. National pride is not that at all but what it says, pride in one's countries values beliefs etc.
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| Park Road 05 Jul 18 12.17pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
You are confusing nationalism with national pride. Nationalism is an extreme form of patriotism marked by a feeling of superiority over other countries. National pride is not that at all but what it says, pride in one's countries values beliefs etc.
Nationalism is the belief that your country has the right to exist on its own. Not to be confused with Patriotism. Patriotism in its true form is merely a pride for being a citizen of one's country Edited by Park Road (05 Jul 2018 12.18pm)
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| Hrolf The Ganger 05 Jul 18 12.45pm |
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Originally posted by Park Road
Edited by Park Road (05 Jul 2018 12.18pm) Nationalism covers anything from patriotism, working for the nation as a whole as defined by national borders and the regime within, national pride, serving mutual interests within a nation and then into more aggressive forms like jingoism and authentic xenophobia.
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| Stirlingsays 05 Jul 18 1.09pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
You are confusing nationalism with national pride.
Nationalism. One is an extension of the other. There can be extreme nationalism just as their can be extreme any political ideology.....just as you have the left and the far left for example. However, I'm a nationalist and I'm not extreme. I don't see myself as genetically superior nor do I wish to physically hurt anyone else just because they are from a different nation. Still, facts don't matter to the far left agenda machine. They just want to push out lies. And Nationalists of different nations team up regularly to combat the EU. So this idea that being a nationalist means you hate anyone who isn't in your nation is just incredibly simplistic and BS. A nationalist believes in the concept of nations as the best methodology for the advancement of humanity. Doug Stanhope is a drunk and I can debunk all his points....they are as simplistic as he is. Of course, he might not actually be serious...being that it's a routine. But there you go. Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Jul 2018 1.11pm)
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| Park Road 05 Jul 18 1.21pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Nationalism covers anything from patriotism, working for the nation as a whole as defined by national borders and the regime within, national pride, serving mutual interests within a nation and then into more aggressive forms like jingoism and authentic xenophobia. So can it be divided into various subsidiaries?, or is it just one full package I.e. if you are a nationalist,you basically believe everything you've just described. Just out of interest "authentic xenophobia"... As opposed to ...? Edited by Park Road (05 Jul 2018 1.22pm) Edited by Park Road (05 Jul 2018 1.25pm)
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