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Pascal Treacly 11 May 18 11.05pm
How often do we hear on HOL the wish for nice boring mid-table obscurity. No more gut wrenching run-ins, let some other fans have the stress for a change. So often we have sighed when we have looked at the Southamptons, the Stokes or the Swanseas of this world wishing we had their stability, even for just for a season or two so we could feel we are an established Premiership club and, more importantly, that we are seen as such by others. Well, this season has blown that pipe dream out of the water, any team from No 8 downwards is potentially doomed. All it needs is a few mis-steps not immediately attended to and it is Good Night Vienna! So maybe it is time to recalibrate our pipe dream to something a bit more adventurous and look further up the table. Is it just my perception of this past season is that the top six are fraying at the edges (perhaps not Man City). Their constant buying and passing around of players and the musical chairs of their managers has become frantic and quite frankly their performances, particularly towards the end of the season, have not justified the hype. They must be aware of this themselves and don't be surprised at their close season frenzies as they try and paper the cracks. 'Don't Panic'! Maybe there is a weakness here, an opportunity which we could exploit? It looks like we may at last have become settled and there is no dispute about our great team spirit. Then there is our team, we have exceptional talents and some of our football now is sumptuous and is quite capable with some judicious tinkering to match the best in the Division. I have a mate who describes it as “liquid football”, not a phrase I have heard before but I think I know what he means. Then we have the ground improvement to add to the mix which if handled cannily could add immensely to the mix but we need to avoid the dumbing down that seems inevitably to come with new or upgraded facilities. How many clubs have had the symbolic heart ripped out of them by the dull, boring renaming of their grounds to accommodate sponsors, nothing to lift the heart or spirit only the erasing of important meaningful symbols. Please, no drab 'XYZ 'Stadium', the ground I first went to, and watched 'Stonewall' Jackson, Ron Heckman and 'Budgie' Byrne, was called Selhurst 'Park'. It should remain a 'Park'. Finally, and I apologise for being long winded, there is the club name, 'Crystal Palace'. Now that the Premiership is a global product our name stands out amongst the tawdry and lets be honest, mundane names of our opponents and their grounds. When I was seven years old and had just learnt to read, the name Crystal Palace was magical and I gave my grandfather a hard time until he eventually took me with him to a game to see the 'Palace', love at first site.' (sic). How must it seem to potential new fans across the world, Crystal Palace, what a magical name. So, how about it? Realistic? Nothing ventured nothing gained.
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How often do we hear on HOL the wish for nice boring mid-table obscurity. No more gut wrenching run-ins, let some other fans have the stress for a change. So often we have sighed when we have looked at the Southamptons, the Stokes or the Swanseas of this world wishing we had their stability, even for just for a season or two so we could feel we are an established Premiership club and, more importantly, that we are seen as such by others. Well, this season has blown that pipe dream out of the water, any team from No 8 downwards is potentially doomed. All it needs is a few mis-steps not immediately attended to and it is Good Night Vienna!

So maybe it is time to recalibrate our pipe dream to something a bit more adventurous and look further up the table. Is it just my perception of this past season is that the top six are fraying at the edges (perhaps not Man City). Their constant buying and passing around of players and the musical chairs of their managers has become frantic and quite frankly their performances, particularly towards the end of the season, have not justified the hype. They must be aware of this themselves and don't be surprised at their close season frenzies as they try and paper the cracks. 'Don't Panic'! Maybe there is a weakness here, an opportunity which we could exploit? It looks like we may at last have become settled and there is no dispute about our great team spirit. Then there is our team, we have exceptional talents and some of our football now is sumptuous and is quite capable with some judicious tinkering to match the best in the Division. I have a mate who describes it as “liquid football”, not a phrase I have heard before but I think I know what he means. Then we have the ground improvement to add to the mix which if handled cannily could add immensely to the mix but we need to avoid the dumbing down that seems inevitably to come with new or upgraded facilities. How many clubs have had the symbolic heart ripped out of them by the dull, boring renaming of their grounds to accommodate sponsors, nothing to lift the heart or spirit only the erasing of important meaningful symbols. Please, no drab 'XYZ 'Stadium', the ground I first went to, and watched 'Stonewall' Jackson, Ron Heckman and 'Budgie' Byrne, was called Selhurst 'Park'. It should remain a 'Park'.
Finally, and I apologise for being long winded, there is the club name, 'Crystal Palace'. Now that the Premiership is a global product our name stands out amongst the tawdry and lets be honest, mundane names of our opponents and their grounds. When I was seven years old and had just learnt to read, the name Crystal Palace was magical and I gave my grandfather a hard time until he eventually took me with him to a game to see the 'Palace', love at first site.' (sic). How must it seem to potential new fans across the world, Crystal Palace, what a magical name.

So, how about it? Realistic? Nothing ventured nothing gained.

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pstrutt Busselton, WA 12 May 18 2.09am
I think that commercial pressures within football are clearly ripping the heart out of football clubs but it something we have to except. Players on big sums with no desire to “play for the club” or the renaming of grounds to facilitate change (and effectively afford said players) is the norm with which our seasons are threatened. We as fans therefore have to adapt as well. There is a degree of pressure that the fans can place upon the decision makers by making their voice heard, but this isn’t always practical and certainly not at the top level of football. Having lived for years in High Wycombe I was well aware of the ill sentiment towards the renaming of Adams Park to The Causeway. It was temporary, but it afforded an injection of funds that kept the club competitive. At the Premier League level such a frivolous amount for the naming rights is never going to wash and I would not be surprised if SP and the board have plans to raise capital in a similar manner in future. I’d be disappointed, but not surprised. So I manage a Workshop which provides a safe learning environment for blokes struggling with PTSD and other mental health issues. Being a Palace fan isn't listed yet.
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I think that commercial pressures within football are clearly ripping the heart out of football clubs but it something we have to except. Players on big sums with no desire to “play for the club” or the renaming of grounds to facilitate change (and effectively afford said players) is the norm with which our seasons are threatened. We as fans therefore have to adapt as well. There is a degree of pressure that the fans can place upon the decision makers by making their voice heard, but this isn’t always practical and certainly not at the top level of football.

Having lived for years in High Wycombe I was well aware of the ill sentiment towards the renaming of Adams Park to The Causeway. It was temporary, but it afforded an injection of funds that kept the club competitive. At the Premier League level such a frivolous amount for the naming rights is never going to wash and I would not be surprised if SP and the board have plans to raise capital in a similar manner in future. I’d be disappointed, but not surprised.

So I manage a Workshop which provides a safe learning environment for blokes struggling with PTSD and other mental health issues. Being a Palace fan isn't listed yet.

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Vaibow vancouver/croydon 12 May 18 4.12am
Good post - i think being prepared is the key. Where we prepared when Papa had his freak accident? No. Where we prepared when our striker limped off? No Where we prepared when Benteke lost form? Not really. Where we prepared when we had a freaky injury crisis? No Any other club or season and these freaks of nature wouldn't have happened it seems and how it could have been a different ending for us - imagine tomorrow, it's us saying goodbye - tragic. The answer really has to be, have a good strong starting 11 with back up that steady the ship. Youth has to be a focus too. This was once a quality forum....
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vancouver/croydon 12 May 18 4.12am

Good post - i think being prepared is the key.

Where we prepared when Papa had his freak accident? No.

Where we prepared when our striker limped off? No

Where we prepared when Benteke lost form? Not really.

Where we prepared when we had a freaky injury crisis? No

Any other club or season and these freaks of nature wouldn't have happened it seems and how it could have been a different ending for us - imagine tomorrow, it's us saying goodbye - tragic.

The answer really has to be, have a good strong starting 11 with back up that steady the ship. Youth has to be a focus too.

This was once a quality forum....

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Straightbackup Crystal Palace 12 May 18 6.10am
Originally posted by Pascal Treacly How often do we hear on HOL the wish for nice boring mid-table obscurity. No more gut wrenching run-ins, let some other fans have the stress for a change. So often we have sighed when we have looked at the Southamptons, the Stokes or the Swanseas of this world wishing we had their stability, even for just for a season or two so we could feel we are an established Premiership club and, more importantly, that we are seen as such by others. Well, this season has blown that pipe dream out of the water, any team from No 8 downwards is potentially doomed. All it needs is a few mis-steps not immediately attended to and it is Good Night Vienna! So maybe it is time to recalibrate our pipe dream to something a bit more adventurous and look further up the table. Is it just my perception of this past season is that the top six are fraying at the edges (perhaps not Man City). Their constant buying and passing around of players and the musical chairs of their managers has become frantic and quite frankly their performances, particularly towards the end of the season, have not justified the hype. They must be aware of this themselves and don't be surprised at their close season frenzies as they try and paper the cracks. 'Don't Panic'! Maybe there is a weakness here, an opportunity which we could exploit? It looks like we may at last have become settled and there is no dispute about our great team spirit. Then there is our team, we have exceptional talents and some of our football now is sumptuous and is quite capable with some judicious tinkering to match the best in the Division. I have a mate who describes it as “liquid football”, not a phrase I have heard before but I think I know what he means. Then we have the ground improvement to add to the mix which if handled cannily could add immensely to the mix but we need to avoid the dumbing down that seems inevitably to come with new or upgraded facilities. How many clubs have had the symbolic heart ripped out of them by the dull, boring renaming of their grounds to accommodate sponsors, nothing to lift the heart or spirit only the erasing of important meaningful symbols. Please, no drab 'XYZ 'Stadium', the ground I first went to, and watched 'Stonewall' Jackson, Ron Heckman and 'Budgie' Byrne, was called Selhurst 'Park'. It should remain a 'Park'. Finally, and I apologise for being long winded, there is the club name, 'Crystal Palace'. Now that the Premiership is a global product our name stands out amongst the tawdry and lets be honest, mundane names of our opponents and their grounds. When I was seven years old and had just learnt to read, the name Crystal Palace was magical and I gave my grandfather a hard time until he eventually took me with him to a game to see the 'Palace', love at first site.' (sic). How must it seem to potential new fans across the world, Crystal Palace, what a magical name. So, how about it? Realistic? Nothing ventured nothing gained. Great post. I think we have every reason to be optimistic about next year- but it is absolutely vital that Roy stays and is given carte blanche to clear out the dead wood and invest in (I would suggest) at least 4 solid Premier League performers, most likely from the relegated teams. If you look at what he did at Fulham, and what he has done is 30-odd games with us, with that injury list, I am cautiously optimistic that next year’s points could be pushing past the 50 point mark. I think it’s going to be a very exciting season for us- for all the right reasons for a change. And I am usually one of the more cautious/pessimistic types! 'Impulse' advert- Advertising campaign whose slogan is expected to change in the light of Rajiv Gandhi's assassination: 'If someone you don't know suddenly offers you flowers- run like f***!'
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Originally posted by Pascal Treacly

So, how about it? Realistic? Nothing ventured nothing gained.

Great post. I think we have every reason to be optimistic about next year- but it is absolutely vital that Roy stays and is given carte blanche to clear out the dead wood and invest in (I would suggest) at least 4 solid Premier League performers, most likely from the relegated teams.
If you look at what he did at Fulham, and what he has done is 30-odd games with us, with that injury list, I am cautiously optimistic that next year’s points could be pushing past the 50 point mark.
I think it’s going to be a very exciting season for us- for all the right reasons for a change. And I am usually one of the more cautious/pessimistic types!

'Impulse' advert- Advertising campaign whose slogan is expected to change in the light of Rajiv Gandhi's assassination: 'If someone you don't know suddenly offers you flowers- run like f***!'

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Ginger Pubic Wig Wickham de L'Ouest 12 May 18 7.05am
Nice to have some optimism. Roy seems set on staying and so a positive, sensible summer could really set us up for next year. There's PLENTY to worry about too, mind. If you want to live in a world full of kindness, respect and love, try to show these qualities.
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Nice to have some optimism. Roy seems set on staying and so a positive, sensible summer could really set us up for next year. There's PLENTY to worry about too, mind.

If you want to live in a world full of kindness, respect and love, try to show these qualities.

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chateauferret 12 May 18 8.27am
It does sound a bit silly but really anyone taking the decision to change the club's name will have a lot to answer for. Not many clubs have inspiring names and those that do aren't derived from the names of real places. If I talk about football up here most people don't actually realise that "Crystal Palace" is a place, named for an iconic building whose destruction by fire is still remembered by people like my father, who saw it light up the sky from miles away. There are a few other "interesting-sounding" club names I suppose, such as Arsenal, Queen of the South (who are in Dumfries), Juventus (Turin), and a couple that can be spiced up by deriving a nickname from the name (Wolves, Spurs). Apart from Palace perhaps my favourite club name is the Go-Ahead Eagles, who play in Deventer and in the Eerste Divisie (second tier) in Holland and at a stadium called De Aadlershorst ("The Eagles' Nest", i.e. eyrie). It's also incidentally just been pointed out on the BBS that in many homes in Brighton "Palace" is considered effectively a swear word, which is amusing considering what they call their own pier. Edited by chateauferret (12 May 2018 9.15am) ============ The Ferret ============
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It does sound a bit silly but really anyone taking the decision to change the club's name will have a lot to answer for. Not many clubs have inspiring names and those that do aren't derived from the names of real places. If I talk about football up here most people don't actually realise that "Crystal Palace" is a place, named for an iconic building whose destruction by fire is still remembered by people like my father, who saw it light up the sky from miles away. There are a few other "interesting-sounding" club names I suppose, such as Arsenal, Queen of the South (who are in Dumfries), Juventus (Turin), and a couple that can be spiced up by deriving a nickname from the name (Wolves, Spurs). Apart from Palace perhaps my favourite club name is the Go-Ahead Eagles, who play in Deventer and in the Eerste Divisie (second tier) in Holland and at a stadium called De Aadlershorst ("The Eagles' Nest", i.e. eyrie).

It's also incidentally just been pointed out on the BBS that in many homes in Brighton "Palace" is considered effectively a swear word, which is amusing considering what they call their own pier.

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Brentmiester_General Front line in the battle against t... 12 May 18 3.28pm
Originally posted by chateauferret It does sound a bit silly but really anyone taking the decision to change the club's name will have a lot to answer for. Not many clubs have inspiring names and those that do aren't derived from the names of real places. If I talk about football up here most people don't actually realise that "Crystal Palace" is a place, named for an iconic building whose destruction by fire is still remembered by people like my father, who saw it light up the sky from miles away. There are a few other "interesting-sounding" club names I suppose, such as Arsenal, Queen of the South (who are in Dumfries), Juventus (Turin), and a couple that can be spiced up by deriving a nickname from the name (Wolves, Spurs). Apart from Palace perhaps my favourite club name is the Go-Ahead Eagles, who play in Deventer and in the Eerste Divisie (second tier) in Holland and at a stadium called De Aadlershorst ("The Eagles' Nest", i.e. eyrie). It's also incidentally just been pointed out on the BBS that in many homes in Brighton "Palace" is considered effectively a swear word, which is amusing considering what they call their own pier. Edited by chateauferret (12 May 2018 9.15am) A historic club named after a historic building that helped to shape the London that we all know and love today. The great exhibition funded many great Victorian spaces around the capital. The museums in ale sington and the aroyal Albert Hall to name a few. "We love you Palace, we f@cking hate Man U, We love you Palace, we hate the brighton too, We love you Palace we play in red 'n' blue, so f@ck you, and you ...
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Originally posted by chateauferret

It's also incidentally just been pointed out on the BBS that in many homes in Brighton "Palace" is considered effectively a swear word, which is amusing considering what they call their own pier.

Edited by chateauferret (12 May 2018 9.15am)

A historic club named after a historic building that helped to shape the London that we all know and love today. The great exhibition funded many great Victorian spaces around the capital. The museums in ale sington and the aroyal Albert Hall to name a few.

"We love you Palace, we f@cking hate Man U, We love you Palace, we hate the brighton too, We love you Palace we play in red 'n' blue, so f@ck you, and you ...

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Vaibow vancouver/croydon 13 May 18 4.32am
Hull were the last club to attempt the idea of a name change - Hull Tigers and it flopped - that's why clubs have nicknames. In Europe, clubs are historic and are linked to their town, it's not like the MLS where a celeb can throw money at a city, build a stadium and call themselves the Florida Juggernaughts. That's why i have a hard time with MLS, it just feels empty, to me there is a romantic element with a club, grandad supports XY team because his grandad took him and now the grandson loves them etc. However, i may be in the minority, but i have absolutely no trouble getting in 8 million a year to call selhurst the 'manbetx stadium' reasons why? I say i support palace, i say 'i'm going down palace on saturday' i rarely say the name of the stadium as it is and to be honest, it's always selhurst park to me and i just look at it like 'manbetx stadium down at selhurst park'. Besides, the pitch to me, is selhurst park. This was once a quality forum....
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Hull were the last club to attempt the idea of a name change - Hull Tigers and it flopped - that's why clubs have nicknames.

In Europe, clubs are historic and are linked to their town, it's not like the MLS where a celeb can throw money at a city, build a stadium and call themselves the Florida Juggernaughts. That's why i have a hard time with MLS, it just feels empty, to me there is a romantic element with a club, grandad supports XY team because his grandad took him and now the grandson loves them etc.

However, i may be in the minority, but i have absolutely no trouble getting in 8 million a year to call selhurst the 'manbetx stadium' reasons why? I say i support palace, i say 'i'm going down palace on saturday' i rarely say the name of the stadium as it is and to be honest, it's always selhurst park to me and i just look at it like 'manbetx stadium down at selhurst park'.

Besides, the pitch to me, is selhurst park.

This was once a quality forum....

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