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twist Miami, Florida 28 Apr 18 12.23pm | |
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Alfie is gone, RIP. But i am blown away by this. I have been following the story, and that someone other than Alfie's parents got to decide "what was best for Alfie" is just wrong. They should have been allowed to take him to Italy. How different is this to a country like Cuba, where the state decides what happens to your children ?
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Badger11 Beckenham 28 Apr 18 1.44pm | |
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Originally posted by twist
Alfie is gone, RIP. But i am blown away by this. I have been following the story, and that someone other than Alfie's parents got to decide "what was best for Alfie" is just wrong. They should have been allowed to take him to Italy. How different is this to a country like Cuba, where the state decides what happens to your children ?
Edited by twist (28 Apr 2018 12.24pm) Very sad all for all concerned. Since the case where the family wanted Proton radiation and were proved right it seems that more and more people are fighting the NHS without necessarily having the facts to back their case. The similar case where the doctor in the USA claimed he could help for example. I have a doctor friend who told me her reading was that the baby was brain dead. The parents understandably told all sorts of lies to the court about their child's condition. The US doctor who held the copyright to "the cure" hadn't even examined the patient and when he did surprise surprise he couldn't help just as the NHS had said all along. We all know that doctors get it wrong but when a patient has been examined by different doctors who draw the same conclusions it's not a conspiracy. What treatment was the hospital in Italy suggesting and why did the NHS not do the same? Or was the hospital actually proposing to make the child comfortable and then pray for a miracle! The actions of the so called supporters were disgusting and just gave the family false hope whilst impacting the running of the hospital. I cannot imagine the pain the family are going through but a court reviewed the case in far more detail than is known to the public and decided very reluctantly that the hospital's actions were correct. By all means challenge treatment if you think it wrong but blind faith and wishful thinking should be left with your church.
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rob1969 Banstead Surrey 28 Apr 18 2.25pm | |
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I feel the greatest sympathy for any parent loosing a child, particularly those many hundreds, maybe thousands, who do so each year without the ‘support’ of the ‘popular’ press and the supporters that such publicity seems to attracts, and of course ,without raising large sums of money.
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Mr_Gristle In the land of Whelk Eaters 28 Apr 18 4.02pm | |
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Badger - spot on, 100% agree. Rob - you bitter cynic.....but spot on too.
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twist Miami, Florida 29 Apr 18 2.21am | |
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My nephew was diagnosed with a brain tumor when he was six. Told it was inoperable and was given the option of a comfortable bed in a hospice or support at home for when he passed. Of course, his parents did not accept that. They went to see several doctors, all said the same thing. They turned to homeopathy and today, aged 20, hes big and strong. My question was, what gives the state or the hospital the right to dictate to the parents, when they give up on their child ?
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becky over the moon 29 Apr 18 8.38am | |
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Originally posted by twist
My nephew was diagnosed with a brain tumor when he was six. Told it was inoperable and was given the option of a comfortable bed in a hospice or support at home for when he passed. Of course, his parents did not accept that. They went to see several doctors, all said the same thing. They turned to homeopathy and today, aged 20, hes big and strong. My question was, what gives the state or the hospital the right to dictate to the parents, when they give up on their child ? What gives the courts the right is acting in the best interests of the child, separate from the emotion and involvement of either the parents or the medics. His condition was a previously unknown brain disease which is why it doesn't even have a name for diagnosis, and he was already clinically classed as brain dead. Scans had shown that 70% of his brain had dissolved to fluid already when the hospital sought permission from the courts to turn off the life support. Even the specialist who flew over from the Vatican hospital (along with all the others who examined him) agreed that the child could not be saved - only have his bodily existence prolonged by being kept on ventilation with a feeding tube until such time as the last remaining 30% of his brain turned to fluid, as 70% had already done. They also agreed that transferring him by aircraft could cause him to convulse, possibly fatally. It was the Catholic religious group legal advisors who kept on and on making the family appeal - and whilst not all evidence presented to the courts was made public, the three tiers of the British judiciary as well as the European courts all agreed, several times each, that moving him was not in the child's best interests.
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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 29 Apr 18 6.52pm | |
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My dad was kept alive because of legal requirements for a terminal disease. Kept alive for 3 weeks of suffering. his dog was put-down some 5 years later, because it was the 'humane thing to do'. work it out. And Alfie's supporters of life have released hundred of plastic balloons into the environment. But it's the meeja that creates this stuff. Just don't buy into it
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Brentmiester_General Front line in the battle against t... 29 Apr 18 8.08pm | |
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly
My dad was kept alive because of legal requirements for a terminal disease. Kept alive for 3 weeks of suffering. his dog was put-down some 5 years later, because it was the 'humane thing to do'. work it out. And Alfie's supporters of life have released hundred of plastic balloons into the environment. But it's the meeja that creates this stuff. Just don't buy into it Spot on. It’s a very sad story of which there will be many sad, sometimes similar cases happening up and down the country every day. This story just caught the attention of the media and then the red top reading angry mob latch onto as it gives them something to rage about.
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Stuk Top half 29 Apr 18 10.43pm | |
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Originally posted by Brentmiester_General
Spot on. It’s a very sad story of which there will be many sad, sometimes similar cases happening up and down the country every day. This story just caught the attention of the media and then the red top reading angry mob latch onto as it gives them something to rage about. Agree with you both and Badger's initial post too. They have cost the NHS millions in all likelyhood as I alluded to in the does politics f*** with your head thread. Appealed at every level and lost everyone whilst encouraged to do so with free, religiously biased, legal "advice".
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CPFC1965 Warrington 30 Apr 18 12.53am | |
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No doctor will condemn a child to death if there was a known cure for the condition... unfortunately nature has taken its course. My heart goes out to the parents but it should not have got turned into the circus that it has become. Lessons must be learned from all this.
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Stirlingsays 30 Apr 18 1.16am | |
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These cases cut me up.
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