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Stirlingsays 20 Apr 18 9.02am | |
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When you observe how mainstream society treats these two ideologies you quickly see a strange but predictable contrast in the treatment between them. Despite the death toll from communism being higher fascism is treated like the plague whereas communism is treated far kinder. Yet they are both murderous ideologies, one kills people for religion/race and the other for class. Indeed we have the leaders of the opposition as plain supporters of communist ideas and communist leaders. The lack of criticism from large sections of the media for this is very notable......probably because, while they might not be communists themselves, it is on their side of the equation. If the leaders of the opposition were supporters of fascism they would be hounded constantly about it. I feel supporters of both ideologies are unsuitable, however one is treated far worse than the other with absolutely no real justification for it. Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Apr 2018 9.03am)
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serial thriller The Promised Land 20 Apr 18 9.24am | |
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Wow. Well I guess it's funny how perspectives can be different hey? From my side of the fence, i see our government congratulating fascists on victory in Egypt, welcoming them over and selling them weapons in the form of the Saudis, and sitting with them in committees and groupings in Europe. All the while, our treatment of Windrush victims and asylum seekersis reminiscent of many Fasvist governments of the past. And opposingly, a party elects a leader who proposes modest socialist reforms and the entire media, from the guardian rightwards, hounds him for being a terrorist sympathising spy traitor racist mastermind incompetent.
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silvertop Portishead 20 Apr 18 9.55am | |
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I think the death toll relates to the size of populations historically under the communist boot. If you compare on a per capita basis, I suspect the fascist states will be found to be punching well above their weight. However, the OP may have a point. Communism always finds a home with the ideological who correctly see its base principles as eminently fair. Only age and experience proves that those principles are always corrupted by the awful nature of unqualified people gifted absolute power. Fascism, on the other hand, is a buzz term for populist ideology founded largely on the hatred of minorities, oppression masquerading as "strength" and the enrichment of a select elite. At a time when the West is committed to multi-culturalism and seeks to keep international collectives together in the face of nationalist break-away trends, it is hardly surprising that the right is given a harder time. That and journalists tend to be a bit lefty.
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Badger11 Beckenham 20 Apr 18 10.07am | |
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Originally posted by silvertop
I think the death toll relates to the size of populations historically under the communist boot. If you compare on a per capita basis, I suspect the fascist states will be found to be punching well above their weight. However, the OP may have a point. Communism always finds a home with the ideological who correctly see its base principles as eminently fair. Only age and experience proves that those principles are always corrupted by the awful nature of unqualified people gifted absolute power. Fascism, on the other hand, is a buzz term for populist ideology founded largely on the hatred of minorities, oppression masquerading as "strength" and the enrichment of a select elite. At a time when the West is committed to multi-culturalism and seeks to keep international collectives together in the face of nationalist break-away trends, it is hardly surprising that the right is given a harder time. That and journalists tend to be a bit lefty. This. Fascism is all about the elite group. In principle communism is about fairness although I have yet to see a regime that practices this.
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Hrolf The Ganger 20 Apr 18 10.10am | |
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'Fascism' is used to frighten people so as to allow the elite to manipulate the world and keep themselves rich at our expense.
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npn Crowborough 20 Apr 18 10.43am | |
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The very terms have been corrupted beyond all meaning. Anyone who thinks it would be nice to give the poor a leg up is clearly a communist in the eyes of much of the press. Anyone who ever voted Tory is clearly a Fascist in the eyes of much of the 'liberal' left. Evidence above with Serial's post (who is a very good poster, though I may not often agree) comparing Windrush with fascism - it's an admin cock-up, coming to light due to a perfectly legitimate and correct clampdown on illegal immigration, and which has been wrong since the 70s, and now hopefully being corrected
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steeleye20 Croydon 20 Apr 18 11.49am | |
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Windrush I don't agree it is racial and empirical IMO, anyway there is a thread already. i think the same they are corrupted beyond meaning, can't see their relevance to modern life, from an historical point of view certainly. There is actually nothing to replace them as we do not split into two like that any more. I would have liked to experience the true communist life style myself, I have only ever met one couple practising communists probably gone years ago.
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Hrolf The Ganger 20 Apr 18 1.29pm | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Windrush I don't agree it is racial and empirical IMO, anyway there is a thread already. i think the same they are corrupted beyond meaning, can't see their relevance to modern life, from an historical point of view certainly. There is actually nothing to replace them as we do not split into two like that any more. I would have liked to experience the true communist life style myself, I have only ever met one couple practising communists probably gone years ago. I'm sure we could have a whip round and make that happen for you.
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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 20 Apr 18 1.37pm | |
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Originally posted by npn
The very terms have been corrupted beyond all meaning. Anyone who thinks it would be nice to give the poor a leg up is clearly a communist in the eyes of much of the press. Anyone who ever voted Tory is clearly a Fascist in the eyes of much of the 'liberal' left. Evidence above with Serial's post (who is a very good poster, though I may not often agree) comparing Windrush with fascism - it's an admin cock-up, coming to light due to a perfectly legitimate and correct clampdown on illegal immigration, and which has been wrong since the 70s, and now hopefully being corrected Good post that pretty much sums it up.
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Stuk Top half 20 Apr 18 1.54pm | |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
Good post that pretty much sums it up. Yep, I think I might just wait until npn has posted in most threads in future. And I believe his thinking is probably what the so called "silent majority" of people think. It's the extreme ones on both sides who shout the loudest.
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steeleye20 Croydon 20 Apr 18 2.06pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
I'm sure we could have a whip round and make that happen for you.
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johnfirewall 03 May 18 7.52am | |
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Well you saw all the Mao and Stalin posters at the May Day March
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