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radsyrendot From Coventry now in Leicester 17 Feb 18 5.03pm | |
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Anyone got one of these ? Is it true they only have a range of about 150'miles ? Also how much does it cost to fully charge at a public charging point
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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 17 Feb 18 5.35pm | |
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I believe there are good deals on hybrids at present but the infrastructure just isn't fully ready for electric cars yet. It is probably not a long time until things go that way. One of the environmental problems is that electricity is generated by fossil fuels in general meaning that electric cars are not a really saving the planet quite yet.
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chris123 hove actually 17 Feb 18 5.50pm | |
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A source of ethically mined lithium will be a challenge.
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Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 17 Feb 18 7.09pm | |
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You are right about the range. Tesla's may do slightly further. Most cars have range extenders, in other words engines. If all you do is poodle to and from work and made a bit of shopping then it may be worth buying one. If you do a lot of miles probably not. Batteries I think are good for 100,000 miles or so. given the low mileage you'd expect to do they'd last a while
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Midlands Eagle 18 Feb 18 7.16am | |
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I'm changing my car this October and a second hand Tesla is on my short list. The range is supposed to be about 300 miles in summer and I tend to do a couple of trips a day od 25 miles each plus the occasional longer trip so a Tesla would work for me as I van recharge overnight at home. The downside is the poor build quality The Jaguar I Pace will have only been out for a few weeks so will probably be too expensive for me and everything else is too small as I need a car that will carry three suitcases
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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 19 Feb 18 9.49am | |
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My knowledge was gained from the 1980's. Hydrogen would be the ideal fuel of the future. It can run in normal petrol motors and its only emission would be water. Trouble is, it is really explosive, so storage is a real problem.
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steeleye20 Croydon 19 Feb 18 3.20pm | |
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly
My knowledge was gained from the 1980's. Hydrogen would be the ideal fuel of the future. It can run in normal petrol motors and its only emission would be water. Trouble is, it is really explosive, so storage is a real problem. 'And how to you generate the electricity to recharge the batteries ? coal, oil or nuclear power stations ?' Solar and renewables. No more destruction thank you mankind. God provided it all, it just took a while for us to catch on..........
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Stuk Top half 19 Feb 18 3.48pm | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
'And how to you generate the electricity to recharge the batteries ? coal, oil or nuclear power stations ?' Solar and renewables. No more destruction thank you mankind. God provided it all, it just took a while for us to catch on.......... Cuckoo. 150 miles will cost approx. £13 to charge at a public point and you need to have a smart phone with reception to connect to the service and give them all your details.
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twist Miami, Florida 19 Feb 18 4.03pm | |
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Given the price of gas over there i would have thought an EV would have been a no brainer. As to the electricity, more than 50% of the power provided in Britain is from renewable sources Degradation of current year EV batteries is almost a non issue. The quality and robustness of EV batteries are way higher than phone/tablet/laptop batteries. They did a study of over 500 Tesla vehicles in the USA, and found that in the first 50,000 miles of the vehicle, the battery degraded by 5% and after that almost nothing at all. Even if the battery failed outside its warranty period(8-10 years and 100k-150k over here), the prices have dropped dramatically to around $150/KWH to replace. By the time it did come for you to replace, its estimated prices would be $80-$100/KWH. Another plus of modern day EV's is their reliability. Electric motors are far less prone to problems than gas/diesel engines. Virtually no moving parts means far less potential problems. But range is the real issue. Your not going to be able to drive the distant specified on vehicle with a fully charged battery. If it says 250, you can expect 180-200, depending on road conditions, traffic etc. Most EV's dont even have that kind of range. In Britain you are lucky, already a ton of charging stations. Takes about 40 minutes to fast charge a tesla to 80%, 20 minutes for 50%. So if you plan things right, you can be eating lunch on a long trip whilst your car charges. So yes, i think in Britain, EV's are very viable. Not so much in the USA yet, except California, but if in live in Cali i would probably have a hydrogen car.
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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 19 Feb 18 4.13pm | |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
I believe there are good deals on hybrids at present but the infrastructure just isn't fully ready for electric cars yet. It is probably not a long time until things go that way. One of the environmental problems is that electricity is generated by fossil fuels in general meaning that electric cars are not a really saving the planet quite yet. Living in London, or any city, one major problem with traditional combustion engines is the emissions of the cars into the air we breathe, not simply the o-zone impact. Drilling and refining oil also uses energy, in fact drilling is much more inefficient these days as a lot of the "easy" oil has been drilled. We need to stop using fossil fuels full stop, so electric cars will be the only choice in a few decades. A change to electric cars only in the city would be worth it for public health reasons alone. I agree though that electric cars are a hard sell unless all you want is a car to go round town in and don't plan on going outside the M25. One day though I imagine you'll be able to drive into a "petrol" station and just swap your flat battery out for a full one and carry on, with the flat one charged up and put in someone else's car once full again.
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steeleye20 Croydon 19 Feb 18 4.39pm | |
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It is how the electricity is sourced that is the crux of the matter. Electric cars all benefit but not if we destroy the planet the environment and our health in producing and running them. Bus fleets are being run by solar light charging batteries that is the way to go. The economic and environmental and health arguments for renewables and solar are overwhelming. For your charging you will be able to charge your car yourself from your local charging point to start, the future is of you being able to charge it yourself off-peak and return power to the grid at night, in theory. No matter how ridiculous how over-priced whatever damage nuclear power will and does cause, the government is joined to it at the hip, but they cannot stop the march of renewable energy. It just simply makes sense.
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dannyboy1978 20 Feb 18 1.07pm | |
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Batteries are just a stop gap anyway!!! below is what the future holds. Basically a toothbrush charger!!! All they need to do is run a stip over the road surface and run the electric from the street lights !! Giant scalectrix Edited by dannyboy1978 (20 Feb 2018 1.13pm)
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