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Badger11 Beckenham 07 Feb 18 7.52am | |
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A group of women shelf stackers are demanding pay parity with the warehouse workers. I am in favour of equal pay but lately the fashion seems to be to compare different jobs and then demand equal pay. I have worked as a shelf stacker and I saw on a daily basis the work the warehouse guys did. It was hard physical labour loading and unloading lorry's in the open in all weathers. The rest of the warehouse was unheated. In short I did not begrudge the guys as stacking shelves was indoors and not as physically taxing. But these days it seems that physical labour doesn't have a value when it comes to equal pay. If I was Tesco I would send these women to work in the warehouse for a week and then see if they still felt it was the same job. My guess is that they will win their case. Well am I being a dinosaur? Or do you agree that we undervalue physical labour when comparing jobs.
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the.universal 07 Feb 18 7.57am | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
A group of women shelf stackers are demanding pay parity with the warehouse workers. I am in favour of equal pay but lately the fashion seems to be to compare different jobs and then demand equal pay. I have worked as a shelf stacker and I saw on a daily basis the work the warehouse guys did. It was hard physical labour loading and unloading lorry's in the open in all weathers. The rest of the warehouse was unheated. In short I did not begrudge the guys as stacking shelves was indoors and not as physically taxing. But these days it seems that physical labour doesn't have a value when it comes to equal pay. If I was Tesco I would send these women to work in the warehouse for a week and then see if they still felt it was the same job. My guess is that they will win their case. Well am I being a dinosaur? Or do you agree that we undervalue physical labour when comparing jobs. If they thought the jobs were comparable, why did they not just go and work in the warehouse and take the extra money?
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Pussay Patrol 07 Feb 18 10.32am | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
A group of women shelf stackers are demanding pay parity with the warehouse workers. I am in favour of equal pay but lately the fashion seems to be to compare different jobs and then demand equal pay. I have worked as a shelf stacker and I saw on a daily basis the work the warehouse guys did. It was hard physical labour loading and unloading lorry's in the open in all weathers. The rest of the warehouse was unheated. In short I did not begrudge the guys as stacking shelves was indoors and not as physically taxing. But these days it seems that physical labour doesn't have a value when it comes to equal pay. If I was Tesco I would send these women to work in the warehouse for a week and then see if they still felt it was the same job. My guess is that they will win their case. Well am I being a dinosaur? Or do you agree that we undervalue physical labour when comparing jobs. So you support Tesco paying employees less?
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npn Crowborough 07 Feb 18 11.11am | |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
So you support Tesco paying employees less? Seems odd - Tesco have different pay grades for warehouse staff and store staff, and surely that's entirely up to them? I work in banking, in head office. To get on the same pay grade in a branch I'd have to be a branch manager. Different jobs, different pay structure, I'm not really sure what the issue is? I'd quite like to be paid what Brad Pitt earns, but I don't do the same job, so that's unrealistic. Just working for the same company doesn't entitle everyone to the same pay, surely?> I must be missing something
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mezzer Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 07 Feb 18 1.25pm | |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
So you support Tesco paying employees less? Every little helps
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Stuk Top half 07 Feb 18 1.33pm | |
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Simple solution is to ask the in-store workers how many of them want to swap jobs with warehouse. The story is actually quite misleading though (it's not like a legal firm to do that is it!) as no claim has actually been made. The story then goes on to keep repeating the male v female narrative, when it should only be in-store v warehouse. And they're not comparable jobs, at all.
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Badger11 Beckenham 07 Feb 18 1.48pm | |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
So you support Tesco paying employees less? As I said previously I don't believe the jobs are comparable, now granted I have not worked for Tesco so I could be wrong. But if the role is what I believe it is not many women would want to do it. I worked in the Food hall the guys did all the heavy lifting, the women would often ask us for help in that task. I have no problem with that because that was a minor part of the role. From what I saw of the warehouse it was pretty much all heavy lifting which is why I decided not to apply for a job as I knew I couldn't hack it. As for the wages of supermarket staff I agree they should all be paid more I started on minimum wage getting up at 4.30am so you will get no argument from me on the meager money they earn. However I don't believe equal pay is the way to go. This is being brought by a group of women what about the male shelf stackers? FYI
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Stirlingsays 07 Feb 18 2.12pm | |
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I worked in a Tesco's warehouse in my early twenties and I worked as a shelf stacker. Two different jobs, one requires muscle the other is more speed and endurance. The feminist argument only appeals to the stupid or agenda driven activists who want common sense thrown out of the window......because feelings. Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Feb 2018 2.14pm)
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 07 Feb 18 4.26pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I worked in a Tesco's warehouse in my early twenties and I worked as a shelf stacker. Two different jobs, one requires muscle the other is more speed and endurance. The feminist argument only appeals to the stupid or agenda driven activists who want common sense thrown out of the window......because feelings. Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Feb 2018 2.14pm) I bet warehouse workers also have some time pressure in getting one lorry unloaded so there's space ready for the next one. The night stackers may also have similar time pressure. Daytime stackers may have pressure but I bet it's not the same judging by the workrate, chatting and customers in the way. The lorries have to be in and out and shelves replenished by opening time or whenever night staff go. I bet it's not such a big deal if a certain load of stuff(s) isn't done in this hour or shift. Completely ridiculous. As above, offer them a trial in the warehouse. They'd last half a day I bet.
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Pussay Patrol 07 Feb 18 4.59pm | |
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Originally posted by Stuk
Simple solution is to ask the in-store workers how many of them want to swap jobs with warehouse. The story is actually quite misleading though (it's not like a legal firm to do that is it!) as no claim has actually been made. The story then goes on to keep repeating the male v female narrative, when it should only be in-store v warehouse. And they're not comparable jobs, at all. So play one set of people off against another to drive the wage down, the old race to the bottom. That's what they want people to do so they can justify paying less. Shame on us as a society workers have to take a huge company who make billions from taxpayers to court to pay a decent wage
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 07 Feb 18 5.09pm | |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
So play one set of people off against another to drive the wage down, the old race to the bottom. That's what they want people to do so they can justify paying less. Shame on us as a society workers have to take a huge company who make billions from taxpayers to court to pay a decent wage Supermarkets in the very near future will be paying £10 per hour minimum and the big 3 of Tesco, Sainsburys and Asda are laying off loads of the managers in between store manager and shelf stackers. It was in the news 2 weeks ago. There is readjusting going on and raising of wages for the lowest paid but to pay people the same for less demanding work isn't the way to go. When this happens the few in this case will probably complain they're having to work 10% harder. Tough. That's business, unless you want Aldi and Lidl to crush the whole store and company. Edited by Rudi Hedman (07 Feb 2018 5.10pm)
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Stirlingsays 07 Feb 18 5.12pm | |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
I bet warehouse workers also have some time pressure in getting one lorry unloaded so there's space ready for the next one. The night stackers may also have similar time pressure. Daytime stackers may have pressure but I bet it's not the same judging by the workrate, chatting and customers in the way. The lorries have to be in and out and shelves replenished by opening time or whenever night staff go. I bet it's not such a big deal if a certain load of stuff(s) isn't done in this hour or shift. Completely ridiculous. As above, offer them a trial in the warehouse. They'd last half a day I bet. Pretty much. Different pay for different jobs is fine. Young females earn more than young males.....for sexist and obvious reasons.....and I'm also fine with that.
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