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TheBigToePunt Flag 29 Jan 18 8.53pm Send a Private Message to TheBigToePunt Add TheBigToePunt as a friend

The appetite among fans, the manager and the club for new signings is evident and justified, particularly given the gaps in the squad and our current injury list, but we must not fall into the trap of buying for the sake of it.

Many of the players (especially strikers) we are linked with are fairly average, and the concern has to be that we are so worried about only having benteke that we might buy someone, anyone, just to fill the vacancy. This would be a huge mistake.

Poor recent form aside, benteke isn't going to be left out for Barnes, Ulloa, Niasse or suchlike, so we'd only be buying cover if we get lads like that in. If benteke does get injured then such average players won't be good enough to compensate, but will still eat up around 40k p/w. That sounds like a price worth paying, and in the short term it might be, but come the summer, and the next two or three years, we'll still be stuck with them. A squad place and a chunk of the wage bill will be used up for the foreseeable future as we'll struggle to sell them on, and if the chance does come along to buy a very exciting player we'll have 40k p/w less to offer them, and will be far more likely to miss out.

We just don't have the room for manoeuvre on the wage bill to make a mistake.

So, on the off chance that parish or freedman read this board, please chaps, if you can't get someone good enough to go straight into the first 11, and you can't get a short term loan, please just don't get anyone at all.

 

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mattteo Flag 29 Jan 18 8.58pm Send a Private Message to mattteo Add mattteo as a friend

Niasse>>>> Benteke big time

 

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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 29 Jan 18 9.02pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

We must be the only pro club in the world to think that we shouldn't have cover for the reasons you give because we'd have to pay the going rate in wages for a standby striker.

That I'm afraid is steering the club into relegation.

 


COYP

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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 29 Jan 18 9.08pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

This thread is so silly I don't know where to start.

It's as if the outside world decides who we're interested in, who Freedman's been looking at and what Roy is after. They are the ones analysing targets, not the sun, the mirror or sky sports.

Besides that you can argue the players mentioned would return more this season than Benteke anyway.

 


COYP

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Henry of Peckham Flag Eton Mess 29 Jan 18 9.18pm Send a Private Message to Henry of Peckham Add Henry of Peckham as a friend

It's absurd if we cannot identify the 'right' players before a transfer window and then get them in. We've been in the Premiership for years not months. We should know how to play this game by now!

 


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TheBigToePunt Flag 29 Jan 18 9.29pm Send a Private Message to TheBigToePunt Add TheBigToePunt as a friend

Rudi, a back up striker should be one who used to be the first choice but got pushed down the pecking order when you brought in better players to upgrade the side, or a kid with potential and hunger. To spend what could be half the salary of a quality player in order to bring in a bloke to make the bench stronger but do nothing for the quality of the team is madness.

In terms of those other guys being preferable to benteke..., I get that he's not done well this season and I'm not his biggest fan, but I'm sure you'd agree that Everton, Burnley or Leicester would bite our hands off if offered a straight swap for Niasse, Barnes or Ulloa. Form aside, those players aren't good enough to replace benteke, and so will offer very little in terms of pressure on his position to even motivate him.

 

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MonsterMunch Flag Cambridge 29 Jan 18 10.26pm Send a Private Message to MonsterMunch Add MonsterMunch as a friend

Originally posted by TheBigToePunt

The appetite among fans, the manager and the club for new signings is evident and justified, particularly given the gaps in the squad and our current injury list, but we must not fall into the trap of buying for the sake of it.

Many of the players (especially strikers) we are linked with are fairly average, and the concern has to be that we are so worried about only having benteke that we might buy someone, anyone, just to fill the vacancy. This would be a huge mistake.

Poor recent form aside, benteke isn't going to be left out for Barnes, Ulloa, Niasse or suchlike, so we'd only be buying cover if we get lads like that in. If benteke does get injured then such average players won't be good enough to compensate, but will still eat up around 40k p/w. That sounds like a price worth paying, and in the short term it might be, but come the summer, and the next two or three years, we'll still be stuck with them. A squad place and a chunk of the wage bill will be used up for the foreseeable future as we'll struggle to sell them on, and if the chance does come along to buy a very exciting player we'll have 40k p/w less to offer them, and will be far more likely to miss out.

We just don't have the room for manoeuvre on the wage bill to make a mistake.

So, on the off chance that parish or freedman read this board, please chaps, if you can't get someone good enough to go straight into the first 11, and you can't get a short term loan, please just don't get anyone at all.

Madness. How on earth would it be acceptable for a premier league club of the last 5 seasons not manage to identify and sign players of adequate quality. You are setting the bar very low. Nobody knows how it’s going to pan out but if after the diabolical last window if we have a similar performance in this one , then we deserve all that we get. Roy will have every right to tell Parish and Dougie to do one.

 

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Brinscall Eagle Flag Brinscall Lancashire/ Villamartin ... 29 Jan 18 10.28pm

Originally posted by TheBigToePunt

Rudi, a back up striker should be one who used to be the first choice but got pushed down the pecking order when you brought in better players to upgrade the side, or a kid with potential and hunger. To spend what could be half the salary of a quality player in order to bring in a bloke to make the bench stronger but do nothing for the quality of the team is madness.

In terms of those other guys being preferable to benteke..., I get that he's not done well this season and I'm not his biggest fan, but I'm sure you'd agree that Everton, Burnley or Leicester would bite our hands off if offered a straight swap for Niasse, Barnes or Ulloa. Form aside, those players aren't good enough to replace benteke, and so will offer very little in terms of pressure on his position to even motivate him.

In someways you are right. We constantly hear managers saying we need to get players in but they have to improve the squad and be the right type of player. RH has said something similar in his various press conferences. He has also said that we need backup numbers as he is happy with his starting eleven. On this basis he may well be happy to have a lesser player as backup and it is for sure that we do need a backup forward. I would not be surprised to see us bring in a relatively, to us the fans , a lesser known player, but you can guarantee he will be the type of player that RH wants which is more relevant than what we tha fans want.

 

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pstrutt Flag Busselton, WA 30 Jan 18 5.10am Send a Private Message to pstrutt Add pstrutt as a friend

Dougie hasn’t been here that long and he may have unearthed some gems - time will tell. Overall we have had to react to the circumstances of each season for example, we are often unattractive as a proposition due to relegation battles or we have to buy some to cover positions where we have lost players to injury. We are still reacting in part to the needs of this season and what player in their right mind would have discussed a pre-contract after seven games or even ten or twelve games this season? We’re fighting footballs economic forces too. We may have nowhere near the budgets that the stories suggest given the players we are linked with. So budget competition is possibly the better route. Do we have a clear indication of budget?

 


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Mstrobez Flag 30 Jan 18 5.31am Send a Private Message to Mstrobez Add Mstrobez as a friend

Originally posted by TheBigToePunt

Rudi, a back up striker should be one who used to be the first choice but got pushed down the pecking order when you brought in better players to upgrade the side, or a kid with potential and hunger. To spend what could be half the salary of a quality player in order to bring in a bloke to make the bench stronger but do nothing for the quality of the team is madness.

In terms of those other guys being preferable to benteke..., I get that he's not done well this season and I'm not his biggest fan, but I'm sure you'd agree that Everton, Burnley or Leicester would bite our hands off if offered a straight swap for Niasse, Barnes or Ulloa. Form aside, those players aren't good enough to replace benteke, and so will offer very little in terms of pressure on his position to even motivate him.

I think you're right and I agree that signing players for the sake of it is a complete waste of money. But I think Rudi's point is that's its farcicle that we get to this stage of the window and even have to conceive that we haven't identified players of a sufficient quality to be back up or first team, we need another striker whatever way you look at it. Let's face it though, it wouldn't surprise many of us if we're attempting a barrel scrape on Wednesday.

I've always been of the opinion that a back up player should ideally be young with the scope to improve and the hunger to succeed. That way you're killing multiple birds with one stone. Budgetary you're at an advantage because they're not deemed to be the "full package" yet. They have qualities that mean they can offer something potentially better than first team options. They can bring energy and unpredictability to games from the bench. Keep first team players on their toes and above all else give us some sort of long term strategy for the future for once, something that we as a club have been crying out for for such a long time.


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Midlands Eagle Flag 30 Jan 18 6.24am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by pstrutt

Dougie hasn’t been here that long and he may have unearthed some gems - time will tell.

Isn't that the scout's job?

 

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The Dolphin Flag 30 Jan 18 7.14am Send a Private Message to The Dolphin Add The Dolphin as a friend

I agree with the title of the post.
However - once the window is shut and subject to who else we get I suspect that Roy will not be a happy man albeit he will be gracious enough not to show it.
Of course it is down to so many factors as to whether we get someone or not but i suspect it will be purse strings that are the main factor.
However - still a way to go yet so you never know!

 

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