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 Stirlingsays  05 Oct 17 5.13am |
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I'd been meaning to make this post for ages but never got around to it. But recent EU supported events in Catalonia have pushed home the need to raise this. There are inherent problems with centralizing power with undemocratic federalists. EU supporters have derided claims that the EU wanted to create an army for years...I remember Nick Clegg mocking it. The reality is that the EU contains high level politicians within it who want an EU army and that this is a genuine concern. The more power you give to a body the less willing they become to letting go of it. De facto they will then engage in mission creep. Of course....instead of learning from Brexit the usual suspects in the EU are looking to get themselves backed by paid forces now......Something completely un-necessary with Nato. Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Oct 2017 7.28am)
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| Midlands Eagle 05 Oct 17 6.19am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
recent events EU supported events in Catalonia have pushed home the old problems with centralizing power with undemocratic federalists. That is the main reason that I voted to leave the EU as I wanted us to have control of our own destinies back again and wouldn't mind betting that many more of us oldies felt the same way
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| Stirlingsays 05 Oct 17 7.29am |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
That is the main reason that I voted to leave the EU as I wanted us to have control of our own destinies back again and wouldn't mind betting that many more of us oldies felt the same way Yep, it's perhaps not surprising that those least knowledgeable of history....the youth....are those least concerned about the EU.
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leifandersonshair  Newport 05 Oct 17 7.44am |
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Ah of course, us silly naive youngsters with our pesky degrees, voting against the wise and definitely not foolishly nostalgic elders. How dare we! Is it not possible that the young are fully aware of the EU, and what it stands for- but rather than being afraid, and wanting to go hide under a rock, muttering about WW2, would like to be part of something larger? Something better than an insignificant island nation, largely irrelevant on the world stage? Out of genuine interest- British forces have served as part of UN peacekeeping forces. Do you object to this in the same way you do to an 'EU army'?
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| chris123 hove actually 05 Oct 17 7.47am |
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I wonder how Germany would fit into this model?
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| dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 05 Oct 17 8.14am |
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Originally posted by leifandersonshair
Ah of course, us silly naive youngsters with our pesky degrees, voting against the wise and definitely not foolishly nostalgic elders. How dare we! Is it not possible that the young are fully aware of the EU, and what it stands for- but rather than being afraid, and wanting to go hide under a rock, muttering about WW2, would like to be part of something larger? Something better than an insignificant island nation, largely irrelevant on the world stage? Out of genuine interest- British forces have served as part of UN peacekeeping forces. Do you object to this in the same way you do to an 'EU army'? Never a truer word spoken in jest.
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Kermit8  Hevon 05 Oct 17 8.21am |
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As an oldie may I say 'go youngsters!' - The other fogeys are just muddled and confused and scared by modern times.
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 05 Oct 17 8.32am |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
As an oldie may I say 'go youngsters!' - The other fogeys are just muddled and confused and scared by modern times. Charlie Chaplin doesn't scare me.
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| Mr_Gristle In the land of Whelk Eaters 05 Oct 17 8.43am |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
Charlie Chaplin doesn't scare me. :-)
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| Mr_Gristle In the land of Whelk Eaters 05 Oct 17 8.50am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Yep, it's perhaps not surprising that those least knowledgeable of history....the youth....are those least concerned about the EU. I would bet your pension on a majority of history degree holders being "remainers". It's 2 for 2 in my household, just to illustrate the point. Feel free to investigate the Telegraph's stats here to see how the "least knowledgeable" actually voted.... Are you suggesting that highly-educated people "just don't get it"? You really are turning into a busted flush on General Talk Stirling - I hope you rediscover your form of past times soon. Edited by Mr_Gristle (05 Oct 2017 8.52am) Edited by Mr_Gristle (05 Oct 2017 8.53am)
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 05 Oct 17 9.23am |
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Originally posted by Mr_Gristle
I would bet your pension on a majority of history degree holders being "remainers". It's 2 for 2 in my household, just to illustrate the point. Feel free to investigate the Telegraph's stats here to see how the "least knowledgeable" actually voted.... Are you suggesting that highly-educated people "just don't get it"? You really are turning into a busted flush on General Talk Stirling - I hope you rediscover your form of past times soon. Edited by Mr_Gristle (05 Oct 2017 8.52am) Edited by Mr_Gristle (05 Oct 2017 8.53am) Surely the time has come that, before people are allowed to vote, they have to complete the phrase "Oh! Jeremy C-----" and say in a few words how wicked the Tories are and how wonderful the EU is.
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pefwin  Where you have to have an English ... 05 Oct 17 9.36am |
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We already have a treaty with France for joint co-operation, but further integration would seem impractical. It sounds like another Juncker power grab, and how could a politician from a minute neutral country like Luxemburg have an understanding of the nature of the power of an EU military force or how to wield it? Most of these countries do not meet the standing NATO requirements of spending at least 2% of GDP on defence.
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