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TheExpatEagle 30 Aug 17 10.42am | |
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Back in the day when Palace fan Mark Goldberg bought Palace and lost it all in an ill-judged attempt to make us a great club we went in to administration. Time went on and nobody wanted to touch us. We were saved at the 11th hour by another Palace fan, Simon Jordan. SJ put his money up and bought the club. He did his best for 10 years in which time he got us into the Premier League and, unfortunately, back down again. Jordan is a divisive figure but I respect him for his stance on agents, stuffy chairman, the FA, Dowie and so on. He is a Palace fan who also lost it all in attempting to make us a great club, in the right way. Probably what took him over the edge was buying the freehold of the ground. Palace again went in to administration because, as SJ puts it, "I ran out of money" and also he details how, in his opinion, Steve Parish was in the background putting the boot in. (You can read about this in his book and he talks about it on his Twitter feed and in interviews) So there we were again, in administration and nobody wanted to touch us. Up steps Parish and 3 other Palace fans to save us at the 11th hour. Fast forward to January 2015 and we get 2 extra American investors. All well and good. My question is this, why does Jordan get so much sh*t from Palace fans while Parish is seen as the golden one? When we were in the PL under Dowie nobody said "Jordan can do what he likes, he saves us from extinction!" In fact people were over joyed when he went after Dowie after he left for Charlton in the same way as Parish going after Pulis. So why is Parish seen as the Pope for saving us while Jordan is seen as the devil incarnate? Parish had a hand in pulling the rug from under Jordan. Maybe it was for the best, maybe it wasn't but that's not the point, is it? I have a lot of time for Jordan and also for Goldberg... Okay, more sympathy for Goldberg but who among us wouldn't buy the club if we had £50m in the bank and we were about to become extinct? Goldberg failed. Jordan failed. The thing they have in common is they were one man bands. Parish had 3 other investors and now he has a further 2 making it a 6 man team yet he is perceived to be some fantastic businessman. Like Goldberg and Jordan I have a lot of time for Parish (and the other 3) for saving the club. But, they have major failings and should be criticised, held to account and questioned. I just don't get why some people dislike Jordan so much. Maybe I'm just getting old because I even have a new found respect for Ron Noades and what he did for Palace after reading how much scouting he did and how he had to convince Coppell to sign players like Geoff Thomas. Noades got no credit and Coppell got it all, nothing against Coppell! I get equally annoyed when someone is credited for writing a hit song when it is the producer who actually crafts the song into the hit we all know and love from a basic demo. But that is a conversation for another day.
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paperhat croydon 30 Aug 17 10.43am | |
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Parish is a watered down Jordan.
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Medway Eagle Whitstable Kent 30 Aug 17 10.51am | |
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Originally posted by TheExpatEagle
Back in the day when Palace fan Mark Goldberg bought Palace and lost it all in an ill-judged attempt to make us a great club we went in to administration. Time went on and nobody wanted to touch us. We were saved at the 11th hour by another Palace fan, Simon Jordan. SJ put his money up and bought the club. He did his best for 10 years in which time he got us into the Premier League and, unfortunately, back down again. Jordan is a divisive figure but I respect him for his stance on agents, stuffy chairman, the FA, Dowie and so on. He is a Palace fan who also lost it all in attempting to make us a great club, in the right way. Probably what took him over the edge was buying the freehold of the ground. Palace again went in to administration because, as SJ puts it, "I ran out of money" and also he details how, in his opinion, Steve Parish was in the background putting the boot in. (You can read about this in his book and he talks about it on his Twitter feed and in interviews) So there we were again, in administration and nobody wanted to touch us. Up steps Parish and 3 other Palace fans to save us at the 11th hour. Fast forward to January 2015 and we get 2 extra American investors. All well and good. My question is this, why does Jordan get so much sh*t from Palace fans while Parish is seen as the golden one? When we were in the PL under Dowie nobody said "Jordan can do what he likes, he saves us from extinction!" In fact people were over joyed when he went after Dowie after he left for Charlton in the same way as Parish going after Pulis. So why is Parish seen as the Pope for saving us while Jordan is seen as the devil incarnate? Parish had a hand in pulling the rug from under Jordan. Maybe it was for the best, maybe it wasn't but that's not the point, is it? I have a lot of time for Jordan and also for Goldberg... Okay, more sympathy for Goldberg but who among us wouldn't buy the club if we had £50m in the bank and we were about to become extinct? Goldberg failed. Jordan failed. The thing they have in common is they were one man bands. Parish had 3 other investors and now he has a further 2 making it a 6 man team yet he is perceived to be some fantastic businessman. Like Goldberg and Jordan I have a lot of time for Parish (and the other 3) for saving the club. But, they have major failings and should be criticised, held to account and questioned. I just don't get why some people dislike Jordan so much. Maybe I'm just getting old because I even have a new found respect for Ron Noades and what he did for Palace after reading how much scouting he did and how he had to convince Coppell to sign players like Geoff Thomas. Noades got no credit and Coppell got it all, nothing against Coppell! I get equally annoyed when someone is credited for writing a hit song when it is the producer who actually crafts the song into the hit we all know and love from a basic demo. But that is a conversation for another day. Very nicely written and I agree with the majority
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Only 10 a year!! 30 Aug 17 12.52pm | |
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I always preferred Jordan. Both quite similar, both love the sound of their own voices but always thought Jordan got a bit shafted by Parish and whilst the other three were reluctant buyers Parish never was. Parish seems to have the advantage of being able to work with people a lot more than Jordan which was Jordan's huge weakness.
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Bangell Oxford 30 Aug 17 1.01pm | |
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Having read Jordan's autobiography, I do think he and Parish have fairly similar personalities - I'm sure plenty of businessmen like them do. But I think all the negative aspects of their characters - overrating their own intelligence, inflexibility, vanity, etc - were ramped up to much more dangerous levels in Jordan. Parish might be inflexible and stubborn, but he'll bend. Both men have made mistakes, but you just get the impression that Jordan's resulted more from self-delusion.
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Kermit8 Hevon 30 Aug 17 1.01pm | |
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Bet you Jordan would have made sure the infrastructure, scouting and youth set up saw a lot more of the TV dosh than Parish has as well as the ground. As each season passes Parish goes down in my estimation.
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Dangermouse Hastings 30 Aug 17 1.14pm | |
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If Twitter was in full flow back in Jordan's time I'm sure he'd of been getting just as much stick and praise as Parish. We have to trust the people in charge, we have no option. We don't have to like them.
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davehuggins 30 Aug 17 1.16pm | |
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SP loves being in the "limelight" I like him, but do think he is running a PL club and is a little out of his depth. Do we see many other chairman/club owners on radio and TV as much as our SP? Think this alone says a lot about our man!!
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 30 Aug 17 1.17pm | |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Bet you Jordan would have made sure the infrastructure, scouting and youth set up saw a lot more of the TV dosh than Parish has as well as the ground. As each season passes Parish goes down in my estimation. He then tried to take out secured loans against these types of items and anything else he could find. So in effect using that money to pump into more Paul Ifill's, all for £1mil, all waiting for someone else to do something. So asa result we don't own anything and when Clyne or Zaha are sold, the money is used to pay back the loan.
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 30 Aug 17 1.20pm | |
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Originally posted by Only 10 a year!!
I always preferred Jordan. Both quite similar, both love the sound of their own voices but always thought Jordan got a bit shafted by Parish and whilst the other three were reluctant buyers Parish never was. Parish seems to have the advantage of being able to work with people a lot more than Jordan which was Jordan's huge weakness. I always found Jordan too flash, but then he's a chairman and not my mate. What did frustrate me with Jordan was his crusade to change football and the premier league in the poorest prem club there for just 1 season. Oh and mortgaging the club to get there and then holding back when we were there. I did agree with the raise in wages for AJ when we were relegated though. If he didn't get injured or we didn't play like cvnts in the 1st half of the Watford semi at Selhurst we may have bounced back up. Jordan was offered help by one of the CPFC 2010 four. Jordan wanted funds didnt want to share a say in how it was spent. Edited by Rudi Hedman (30 Aug 2017 1.22pm)
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TheExpatEagle 30 Aug 17 1.25pm | |
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Originally posted by Medway Eagle
Very nicely written and I agree with the majority Cheers mate. Difficult to be 100% agreeable so the majority is pretty good.
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TheExpatEagle 30 Aug 17 1.31pm | |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
I always found Jordan too flash, but then he's a chairman and not my mate. What did frustrate me with Jordan was his crusade to change football and the premier league in the poorest prem club there for just 1 season. Oh and mortgaging the club to get there and then holding back when we were there. I did agree with the raise in wages for AJ when we were relegated though. If he didn't get injured or we didn't play like cvnts in the 1st half of the Watford semi at Selhurst we may have bounced back up. Jordan was offered help by one of the CPFC 2010 four. Jordan wanted funds didnt want to share a say in how it was spent. Edited by Rudi Hedman (30 Aug 2017 1.22pm) Not quite true. Jordan was offered 'help' in the form of what could be called a 'pay day loan' As Jordan wrote: "I had never met or spoken to Parish before but that was all to change. In the interests of keeping Brajovic appeased I spoke to Parish, who confirmed he was interested in buying this loan. What he suggested was he would pay Agilo the £4.3 million outstanding, take over the loan and I would pay them £6.3 million by 26 June. In other words, if I failed to make the repayment in five months Parish, who intimated there were other parties involved in buying out Agilo’s loan, would take the club. Effectively Parish and his backers wanted circa 120 per cent interest secured against the £35 million I had in Palace. Despite the appeal of being able to rid myself of this man Brajovic I can’t say I jumped at this deal. In speaking to Parish, it was clear to me he knew a lot more about the exact financial position at Palace than he had any right to. I wonder – who could have told him that from my board of directors? My brother Dominic? The fiercely loyal Kevin Watts? Or my chief executive Phil Alexander, he of the ‘the king is dead’ mentality? I suspected Parish and the others he alluded to were involved had been speaking to Agilo for some time." So, Parish out great saviour actually help to put us in the sh*t in the first place all because Jordan wasn't stupid enough to take his extortionate offer. There's a lot more to it in the book about how Jordan was promised £10m to help ease the financial pressure by an Angel Loan (or whatever) but it was pulled with hints at underhand dealings by out glorious chairman.
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