Lingard is a mystery to me. Did you see him last night, seemingly through on goal then slowed down and tackled; Wilf would not have been caught, but Wilf is not at Man Utd- and yes, I know Wilf's given up and gone for Ivory Coast. For me it further illustrated why Wilf was right to give up on England and choose Ivory Coast as his way to play at international level.
I'm sure the Ivory Coast don't have such an awful boring band either!

I hate to say it but I'm with you, I really don't care anymore.

Cynic or realist? It's a fine line!

people always post this kind of thing on here. i don't know what you're hoping to achieve. if you don't care, don't post on the thread at all. yeah the national team is a shambles, has been for some time. deal with it

When you’re knocked on your back and your life’s a flop...

As usual they will win all the group games, finish top, everyone will think they are the dog's bollocks, then they will get to the finals and bottle it completely.

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James if it is insight that you want, then I am also ambivalent about England now. For me, and I'm guessing a number of others who feel the same way, to feel that way is deeply disappointing. England used to stir the loins and bring out passion. Most of us have followed England and exuded huge amounts of pride, joy and despair in watching our national team.

Now that energising, life affirming relationship has been replaced with sterile football, Lingard clone footballers wearing white headphones and the national team there to sell 'The Brand' to the highest bidder. It is devoid of passion and soul and has been taken from us by the EPL and marketing men of this world and is now a piss poor commodity and, at least for now, is dead to us.

To try and express it in a different context, it's a bit like your favourite band who were the sound track to your teenage years shamelessly performing Little Mix cover versions at the Amex before every Brighton match