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OhthisbloodyPC 16 Apr 17 11.05am
Kelvin Mackenzie can be horrible. I think we all know that. He singles out Palace fans for his spleen at times. grossly distorting trivial incidents in order to act the sanctimonious mobster. But, to put that in perspective, he's done far, far worse things to other people. Having said that, I think campaigning to have him sacked on race grounds cold backfire. Be honest, who knew that Ross Barkley was Nigerian? To say that Mackenzie knew that, and was still stupid enough to go to print with a crude racial slur (and indeed the picture researcher, who would have had to find a gorilla picture) is going too far. To make this case about race is probably self defeating. I heard the Sun want to get rid of him anyway, as they'll save £300,000 on his salary. He might be able to prove unfair dismissal though, if he's wrongly accused of racism. Any thoughts?
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OhthisbloodyPC

16 Apr 17 11.05am

Kelvin Mackenzie can be horrible. I think we all know that.

He singles out Palace fans for his spleen at times. grossly distorting trivial incidents in order to act the sanctimonious mobster.

But, to put that in perspective, he's done far, far worse things to other people.

Having said that, I think campaigning to have him sacked on race grounds cold backfire.

Be honest, who knew that Ross Barkley was Nigerian?

To say that Mackenzie knew that, and was still stupid enough to go to print with a crude racial slur (and indeed the picture researcher, who would have had to find a gorilla picture) is going too far.

To make this case about race is probably self defeating.

I heard the Sun want to get rid of him anyway, as they'll save £300,000 on his salary. He might be able to prove unfair dismissal though, if he's wrongly accused of racism.

Any thoughts?

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Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 16 Apr 17 11.08am
[Link] the dignified don't even enter in the game
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In The Crowd 16 Apr 17 11.08am

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the dignified don't even enter in the game

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Hrolf The Ganger 16 Apr 17 5.07pm
Hands up, how many people knew Barclay had a Nigerian grandparent?
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16 Apr 17 5.07pm

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Hands up, how many people knew Barclay had a Nigerian grandparent?

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Username Horsham 16 Apr 17 5.12pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Hands up, how many people knew Barclay had a Nigerian grandparent? I knew his family was mixed race, not the specifics of a Nigerian grandparent. Mackenzie is a horrible, horrible man who continuously peddles this awful nonsense. Whether he knew or not, the general slurs he aims (once again) at Liverpool are disgraceful. I'm pretty sure he timed it to coincide with the Hillsborough anniversary weekend as well. He's a piece of s***. Don't buy the sun. Employee of the month is a good example of how someone can be both a winner and a loser at the same time.
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Horsham 16 Apr 17 5.12pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Hands up, how many people knew Barclay had a Nigerian grandparent?

I knew his family was mixed race, not the specifics of a Nigerian grandparent.

Mackenzie is a horrible, horrible man who continuously peddles this awful nonsense. Whether he knew or not, the general slurs he aims (once again) at Liverpool are disgraceful.

I'm pretty sure he timed it to coincide with the Hillsborough anniversary weekend as well. He's a piece of s***.

Don't buy the sun.

Employee of the month is a good example of how someone can be both a winner and a loser at the same time.

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hedgehog50 Croydon 16 Apr 17 5.21pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Hands up, how many people knew Barclay had a Nigerian grandparent? I did. He sent me an email saying he had millions of dollars that he needed to to transfer into the UK and would I give him my bank details to help. We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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Croydon 16 Apr 17 5.21pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Hands up, how many people knew Barclay had a Nigerian grandparent?

I did. He sent me an email saying he had millions of dollars that he needed to to transfer into the UK and would I give him my bank details to help.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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Hrolf The Ganger 16 Apr 17 5.29pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 I did. He sent me an email saying he had millions of dollars that he needed to to transfer into the UK and would I give him my bank details to help.
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Hrolf The Ganger

16 Apr 17 5.29pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

I did. He sent me an email saying he had millions of dollars that he needed to to transfer into the UK and would I give him my bank details to help.

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Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 16 Apr 17 6.02pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Hands up, how many people knew Barclay had a Nigerian grandparent? As Username said, you can see he is mixed race. The Liverpool Mayor calling Liverpudlians as a race however is moronic and doesn't do the anything for the case against McKenzie the dignified don't even enter in the game
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Y Ddraig Goch

In The Crowd 16 Apr 17 6.02pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Hands up, how many people knew Barclay had a Nigerian grandparent?

As Username said, you can see he is mixed race.

The Liverpool Mayor calling Liverpudlians as a race however is moronic and doesn't do the anything for the case against McKenzie

the dignified don't even enter in the game

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rob1969 Banstead Surrey 16 Apr 17 6.03pm
The Sun has editorial control. They decided to print. If- as suggested earlier in this thread - they wanted to get rid of him maybe they let it slip through on purpose? (a conspiracy theory !) As for the mayor of Liverpool well he just playing to the gallery. Got to get himself re elected probably.
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Banstead Surrey 16 Apr 17 6.03pm

The Sun has editorial control. They decided to print.

If- as suggested earlier in this thread - they wanted to get rid of him maybe they let it slip through on purpose? (a conspiracy theory !)

As for the mayor of Liverpool well he just playing to the gallery. Got to get himself re elected probably.

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pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 16 Apr 17 6.17pm
Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch As Username said, you can see he is mixed race. The Liverpool Mayor calling Liverpudlians as a race however is moronic and doesn't do the anything for the case against McKenzie Irish? "Everything is air-droppable at least once." "When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."
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Where you have to have an English ... 16 Apr 17 6.17pm

Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

As Username said, you can see he is mixed race.

The Liverpool Mayor calling Liverpudlians as a race however is moronic and doesn't do the anything for the case against McKenzie

Irish?

"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

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orpingtoneagle Orpington 16 Apr 17 6.25pm
The Sun isn't fit for wrapping chips in. It is more than happy to print a story bigging up a group one week only to denegrate them the next. KM is along with their key thought piece writers a man (can't call him a journalist,) who will more than happily take a pop at anyone hiding behind 'free speech,' ( bit like on here really!) But in this case the dear old currant bun is the boy who cried wolf as this story will have passed through many hands before publication, any of which could have realised just how offensive this was. But hey they have got away with it so many times the editors probably assumed they were teflon. And let's face it the Sun and good people of Liverpool have form after the load of old tosh the Sun published after Hillsborough.
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The Sun isn't fit for wrapping chips in. It is more than happy to print a story bigging up a group one week only to denegrate them the next.

KM is along with their key thought piece writers a man (can't call him a journalist,) who will more than happily take a pop at anyone hiding behind 'free speech,' ( bit like on here really!)

But in this case the dear old currant bun is the boy who cried wolf as this story will have passed through many hands before publication, any of which could have realised just how offensive this was.

But hey they have got away with it so many times the editors probably assumed they were teflon. And let's face it the Sun and good people of Liverpool have form after the load of old tosh the Sun published after Hillsborough.

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Stirlingsays 16 Apr 17 6.57pm
Another victory for the thought police who are ruining freedom of speech in this country. They only want 'nice' or 'harmless' freedom of speech. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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16 Apr 17 6.57pm

Another victory for the thought police who are ruining freedom of speech in this country.

They only want 'nice' or 'harmless' freedom of speech.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Kermit8 Hevon 16 Apr 17 7.05pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Another victory for the thought police who are ruining freedom of speech in this country. They only want 'nice' or 'harmless' freedom of speech. What about 'freedom of hate speech?' - Do you think that should that be allowed again and be de-criminalised? I ask because at the moment the police are investigating whether Mackenzie can be prosecuted. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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