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Hrolf The Ganger 02 Feb 17 10.33pm | |
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It begins. This is why the endless mass immigration is a disaster for this country. Your great grand children will ask their parents what a field used to look like. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (02 Feb 2017 10.38pm) Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (02 Feb 2017 10.40pm)
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johnfirewall 02 Feb 17 11.17pm | |
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Bit of a contradiction as Sadiq Khan just blocked the new Cray Wanderers ground and flats being built on Flamingo Park. London is getting overcrowded and these sort of locations are the best place to build and take the strain while there are plenty of parks in London which fortunately aren't being touched.
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 03 Feb 17 12.03am | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
It begins. This is why the endless mass immigration is a disaster for this country. Your great grand children will ask their parents what a field used to look like. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (02 Feb 2017 10.38pm) Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (02 Feb 2017 10.40pm) Heard the story of the bloke who stood outside Sheffield looking at fields and said 'I remember when this were all factories' How's the Ebbsfleet development going? I think we should have local architects and local builders commisioned in each area (give them the money to train apprentices so that local kids can get a foot in an industry) rather than the national housebuilders. That would give each development it's own feel rather than having the identikit houses we see springing up across the country. It's a real opportunity for local economic stimulus in areas that need it. Edited by nickgusset (03 Feb 2017 12.04am)
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becky over the moon 03 Feb 17 7.16am | |
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I've seen some fine examples of this out here in the countryside, where local authorities are forced to meet Government quotas for new builds, whether or not we need them. Usually, in these cases, using former agricultural land - so still fields going under. At the planning stage, when the number of properties in the development have been reduced to a 'reasonable' level (they always start with an unsustainable number) there will be provision for say 20% affordable housing, which often takes the form of the local social housing group providing building materials (double glazing, wood flooring) etc. as the subsidy. The reality was that suddenly the builder couldn't afford 20% social so applied to vary the planning permission to 12%, with the threat of pulling out unless this was granted. It was! In one case the Parish council refused and the developer went into admin. When the site was finally sold on, partially built, the new developer demanded a further reduction, and got it - the alternative was more years of a half-built eyesore in the middle of a lovely village. So, in the end, 28 affordable homes became 12 affordable homes of which 6 have actually materialised (allegedly) I understand from my local District Councillor that this is being repeated on every site all over South Somerset. So, promises of affordable don't always materialise and since there is no restriction on re-sale, as soon as they are sold they are lost to the 'affordable' housing supply and become just another home to be profiteered from. It would make far more sense to build to rent, with no right to buy option on social housing, at a controlled rent so that tenants have the possibility to save for their own place in their own time - or not as they choose or are able. .....and use all the possible brownfield sites before you start on greenbelt cos' once it's gone it will never come back.
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Kermit8 Hevon 03 Feb 17 8.14am | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
It begins. This is why the endless mass immigration is a disaster for this country. Your great grand children will ask their parents what a field used to look like. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (02 Feb 2017 10.38pm) Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (02 Feb 2017 10.40pm) If immigration were 100% halted tomorrow our population will still be around 70mill in twenty years time. Do try to look at the bigger picture. Births/death rations.
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bubble wrap Carparks in South East London 03 Feb 17 9.26am | |
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Friends of ours had extention planning declined because their house is on Greenbelt land but within view of their house and on the same land 12 flats are being built.
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leifandersonshair Newport 03 Feb 17 9.49am | |
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Building on green belt land a bad thing, but simplistic to blame it on immigrants. What about 'buy to let' landlords? Those pensioners who put their money in property as a good investment for letting? And all the available brown field sites available for building on, but which are less attractive to developers- and, as the government has to be seen to be approving building houses, the housing developers get their way? Not to mention the hundreds of thousands of acres of land already owned by developers which are currently being undeveloped (something like 600,000 plots, apparently).
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el zero Bromley 03 Feb 17 9.57am | |
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I agree with Hrolf. Our natural environment is a treasure and we have a duty to pass it on to later generations; not concrete over it for the sake of some temporary shortage. It's particularly annoying that the population growth is mostly fueled by immigration and that is fuelled by Mr. and Mrs Big Business wanting an endless flow of cheap labour. It's good for them, they get richer and the immigrants benefit too, at least temporarily.
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 03 Feb 17 10.25am | |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
If immigration were 100% halted tomorrow our population will still be around 70mill in twenty years time. Do try to look at the bigger picture. Births/death rations. You're alright in Devon, Jack.
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 03 Feb 17 10.28am | |
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Originally posted by leifandersonshair
Building on green belt land a bad thing, but simplistic to blame it on immigrants. What about 'buy to let' landlords? Those pensioners who put their money in property as a good investment for letting? And all the available brown field sites available for building on, but which are less attractive to developers- and, as the government has to be seen to be approving building houses, the housing developers get their way? Not to mention the hundreds of thousands of acres of land already owned by developers which are currently being undeveloped (something like 600,000 plots, apparently). You can use buy to let landlords as a reason for rising house prices but housing supply? Their property might be empty for a week or so but ultimately the property is being lived in. There a lot of unfit to live in properties in England. About a million was the last I heard, a lot of them owned by the local council.
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Hoof Hearted 03 Feb 17 10.29am | |
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Originally posted by el zero
I agree with Hrolf. Our natural environment is a treasure and we have a duty to pass it on to later generations; not concrete over it for the sake of some temporary shortage. It's particularly annoying that the population growth is mostly fueled by immigration and that is fuelled by Mr. and Mrs Big Business wanting an endless flow of cheap labour. It's good for them, they get richer and the immigrants benefit too, at least temporarily. Every sane person agrees with Hrolf. No good will come of this.... it's not only ruining the environment for us but for all the creatures, flora and fauna. We continually complain about floods but exacerbate the problem by building on green fields that would absorb the rain brought about by global warming another of man's stupid errors. If our population keeps growing, we're going to need those fields for growing food.
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Midlands Eagle 03 Feb 17 10.38am | |
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Nicola Sturgeon loves immigration and wants to continue in the EU with all of it's freedom of movement of labour. As there is more spare land available in Scotland than anywhere else in Britain why not build a few new towns in Scotland to spare what little remains of our green belt
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