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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 02 Feb 17 10.33pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

It begins.

This is why the endless mass immigration is a disaster for this country.
Green Belt is about to be slowly eroded for new housing. This is the slippery slope where we say goodbye to this green and pleasant land to make room for out rapidly growing immigrant population.

Your great grand children will ask their parents what a field used to look like.

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johnfirewall Flag 02 Feb 17 11.17pm Send a Private Message to johnfirewall Add johnfirewall as a friend

Bit of a contradiction as Sadiq Khan just blocked the new Cray Wanderers ground and flats being built on Flamingo Park. London is getting overcrowded and these sort of locations are the best place to build and take the strain while there are plenty of parks in London which fortunately aren't being touched.

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 03 Feb 17 12.03am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

It begins.

This is why the endless mass immigration is a disaster for this country.
Green Belt is about to be slowly eroded for new housing. This is the slippery slope where we say goodbye to this green and pleasant land to make room for out rapidly growing immigrant population.

Your great grand children will ask their parents what a field used to look like.

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Heard the story of the bloke who stood outside Sheffield looking at fields and said 'I remember when this were all factories'

How's the Ebbsfleet development going?

I think we should have local architects and local builders commisioned in each area (give them the money to train apprentices so that local kids can get a foot in an industry) rather than the national housebuilders. That would give each development it's own feel rather than having the identikit houses we see springing up across the country.

It's a real opportunity for local economic stimulus in areas that need it.
Invest in each area, fund enterprise start ups, invest in r+d at local universities to encourage tech start ups. Make it compulsory that all new build houses have solar panels (piss off the electricity companies but you would be doing it for the citizens rather than company shareholders). This is just off the top of my head.

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becky Flag over the moon 03 Feb 17 7.16am Send a Private Message to becky Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add becky as a friend

I've seen some fine examples of this out here in the countryside, where local authorities are forced to meet Government quotas for new builds, whether or not we need them. Usually, in these cases, using former agricultural land - so still fields going under.

At the planning stage, when the number of properties in the development have been reduced to a 'reasonable' level (they always start with an unsustainable number) there will be provision for say 20% affordable housing, which often takes the form of the local social housing group providing building materials (double glazing, wood flooring) etc. as the subsidy.

The reality was that suddenly the builder couldn't afford 20% social so applied to vary the planning permission to 12%, with the threat of pulling out unless this was granted. It was! In one case the Parish council refused and the developer went into admin. When the site was finally sold on, partially built, the new developer demanded a further reduction, and got it - the alternative was more years of a half-built eyesore in the middle of a lovely village. So, in the end, 28 affordable homes became 12 affordable homes of which 6 have actually materialised (allegedly)

I understand from my local District Councillor that this is being repeated on every site all over South Somerset.

So, promises of affordable don't always materialise and since there is no restriction on re-sale, as soon as they are sold they are lost to the 'affordable' housing supply and become just another home to be profiteered from.

It would make far more sense to build to rent, with no right to buy option on social housing, at a controlled rent so that tenants have the possibility to save for their own place in their own time - or not as they choose or are able.

.....and use all the possible brownfield sites before you start on greenbelt cos' once it's gone it will never come back.

 


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Kermit8 Flag Hevon 03 Feb 17 8.14am Send a Private Message to Kermit8 Add Kermit8 as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

It begins.

This is why the endless mass immigration is a disaster for this country.
Green Belt is about to be slowly eroded for new housing. This is the slippery slope where we say goodbye to this green and pleasant land to make room for out rapidly growing immigrant population.

Your great grand children will ask their parents what a field used to look like.

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Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (02 Feb 2017 10.40pm)

If immigration were 100% halted tomorrow our population will still be around 70mill in twenty years time. Do try to look at the bigger picture. Births/death rations.

 


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bubble wrap Flag Carparks in South East London 03 Feb 17 9.26am

Friends of ours had extention planning declined because their house is on Greenbelt land but within view of their house and on the same land 12 flats are being built.
Either let the land go or protect it. Personally feel that if we send a lot of the people living here illegally then this will reduce the housing shortgage so we might not have the need to build on Green belt land.

 

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leifandersonshair Flag Newport 03 Feb 17 9.49am Send a Private Message to leifandersonshair Add leifandersonshair as a friend

Building on green belt land a bad thing, but simplistic to blame it on immigrants. What about 'buy to let' landlords? Those pensioners who put their money in property as a good investment for letting? And all the available brown field sites available for building on, but which are less attractive to developers- and, as the government has to be seen to be approving building houses, the housing developers get their way?

Not to mention the hundreds of thousands of acres of land already owned by developers which are currently being undeveloped (something like 600,000 plots, apparently).

 

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el zero Flag Bromley 03 Feb 17 9.57am Send a Private Message to el zero Add el zero as a friend

I agree with Hrolf. Our natural environment is a treasure and we have a duty to pass it on to later generations; not concrete over it for the sake of some temporary shortage. It's particularly annoying that the population growth is mostly fueled by immigration and that is fuelled by Mr. and Mrs Big Business wanting an endless flow of cheap labour. It's good for them, they get richer and the immigrants benefit too, at least temporarily.
what do most of us get out of it? Nothing but a trashed environment and a lower quality of life.

 

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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 03 Feb 17 10.25am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Kermit8

If immigration were 100% halted tomorrow our population will still be around 70mill in twenty years time. Do try to look at the bigger picture. Births/death rations.

You're alright in Devon, Jack.

 


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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 03 Feb 17 10.28am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by leifandersonshair

Building on green belt land a bad thing, but simplistic to blame it on immigrants. What about 'buy to let' landlords? Those pensioners who put their money in property as a good investment for letting? And all the available brown field sites available for building on, but which are less attractive to developers- and, as the government has to be seen to be approving building houses, the housing developers get their way?

Not to mention the hundreds of thousands of acres of land already owned by developers which are currently being undeveloped (something like 600,000 plots, apparently).

You can use buy to let landlords as a reason for rising house prices but housing supply? Their property might be empty for a week or so but ultimately the property is being lived in.

There a lot of unfit to live in properties in England. About a million was the last I heard, a lot of them owned by the local council.

 


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Hoof Hearted 03 Feb 17 10.29am

Originally posted by el zero

I agree with Hrolf. Our natural environment is a treasure and we have a duty to pass it on to later generations; not concrete over it for the sake of some temporary shortage. It's particularly annoying that the population growth is mostly fueled by immigration and that is fuelled by Mr. and Mrs Big Business wanting an endless flow of cheap labour. It's good for them, they get richer and the immigrants benefit too, at least temporarily.
what do most of us get out of it? Nothing but a trashed environment and a lower quality of life.

Every sane person agrees with Hrolf.

No good will come of this.... it's not only ruining the environment for us but for all the creatures, flora and fauna.

We continually complain about floods but exacerbate the problem by building on green fields that would absorb the rain brought about by global warming another of man's stupid errors.

If our population keeps growing, we're going to need those fields for growing food.

 

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Midlands Eagle Flag 03 Feb 17 10.38am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Nicola Sturgeon loves immigration and wants to continue in the EU with all of it's freedom of movement of labour.

As there is more spare land available in Scotland than anywhere else in Britain why not build a few new towns in Scotland to spare what little remains of our green belt

 

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