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PSHE Bill 'Filibustered' by Conservative MPs
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 Sportyteacher  London 22 Jan 17 8.59am |
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If you are a parent, then the following behaviour by Conservative MPs will appal you: Hansard: Merchant Shipping Bill Second Reading (Duration: 9.54am-2.24pm) Link: [Link] Hansard: PSHE (Statutory Requirement Bill) Second Reading (Duration: 2.25pm-2.30pm) Link: [Link]
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| Sportyteacher London 22 Jan 17 9.01am |
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Alternatively, my wife originally referred me to:
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| matt_himself Matataland 22 Jan 17 9.22am |
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Originally posted by Sportyteacher
If you are a parent, then the following behaviour by Conservative MPs will appal you: Hansard: Merchant Shipping Bill Second Reading (Duration: 9.54am-2.24pm) Link: [Link] Hansard: PSHE (Statutory Requirement Bill) Second Reading (Duration: 2.25pm-2.30pm) Link: [Link] Why? Surely parents should have a choice in what their children are taught about with regards sex education.
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| Sportyteacher London 22 Jan 17 9.57am |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
Why? Surely parents should have a choice in what their children are taught about with regards sex education. And you think that the quality of modern day parenting by all is good and responsible enough? How many even know what their offspring get up to? Education system has its part to play even along the simple lines of providing guidance and resources to parents alone.
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| matt_himself Matataland 22 Jan 17 10.05am |
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Originally posted by Sportyteacher
And you think that the quality of modern day parenting by all is good and responsible enough? How many even know what their offspring get up to? Education system has its part to play even along the simple lines of providing guidance and resources to parents alone. You really should have picked a better argument than that. That is deeply offensive to parents, smacks of social engineering and limits parental choice. And judging by the quality of posts on here by teachers, yourself included, convince me that teachers are better at doing this than parents. Teachers cannot appear to spell or understand the difference between the trade and budget deficit's. Why should they be trusted with sex education?
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| Sportyteacher London 22 Jan 17 10.33am |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
You really should have picked a better argument than that. That is deeply offensive to parents, smacks of social engineering and limits parental choice. And judging by the quality of posts on here by teachers, yourself included, convince me that teachers are better at doing this than parents. Teachers cannot appear to spell or understand the difference between the trade and budget deficit's. Why should they be trusted with sex education? Your response completely highlights the ignorance of those on the outside of the classroom as opposed to those who witness personal and social behaviours inside the walls of the school for the majority time of the school day. I also give you the following link to reflect upon: Matt: You've only read into a portion of what the subject of PSHE covers.
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| topcat Holmesdale / Surbiton 22 Jan 17 10.41am |
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I know very little about the bill, why were the Tories scared of it being debated?
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| matt_himself Matataland 22 Jan 17 10.50am |
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Originally posted by Sportyteacher
Your response completely highlights the ignorance of those on the outside of the classroom as opposed to those who witness personal and social behaviours inside the walls of the school for the majority time of the school day. I also give you the following link to reflect upon: Matt: You've only read into a portion of what the subject of PSHE covers. I note you didn't answer my question and flipped it to use that time honoured leftie tactic of siting 'ignorance' of those questioning them. Your contempt for parents in your response, to me, displays ignorance. However, I am a reasonable man, and will give you a second have to answer the question. Why are teachers better placed to give sex education than parents?
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| Eustace H. Plimsoll Aldershot 22 Jan 17 10.59am |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
I note you didn't answer my question and flipped it to use that time honoured leftie tactic of siting 'ignorance' of those questioning them. Your contempt for parents in your response, to me, displays ignorance. However, I am a reasonable man, and will give you a second have to answer the question. Why are teachers better placed to give sex education than parents? A teaching career shurely awaits...
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| matt_himself Matataland 22 Jan 17 11.01am |
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Originally posted by Eustace H. Plimsoll
A teaching career shurely awaits... You are correct. Get me a mortar board, a copy of Mao's little red book and an inflated sense of victimhood & entitlement. I will start tomorrow.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 22 Jan 17 11.59am |
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It's ridiculous. All the subjects teachers are being encouraged, sorry shouted at, by the newspapers, to teach, such as - e-safety, prevent, body image, sex ed.... to name a few are covered in a CPSHE curriculum. It makes no sense that Academies or a Free Schools don't have to teach this. It's an invaluable part of the curriculum when it offers enrichment, discussion, debate and life skills. These are skills which our young people need as well as the academic areas.
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| Sportyteacher London 22 Jan 17 12.24pm |
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Well done, Nick! The voice of common sense and real experience in life who likewise understands the consequences of last Friday's crazy behaviour in the House of Commons. Other core themes to PSHE curriculum include health and well-being as well as living in the wider world (including economic wellbeing and aspects of careers education). Perhaps Matt also believes that parents are just as capable of exercising sound judgment as to how their offspring receive adequate access to active healthy lifestyle provision when the evidence is all around us as to spiralling levels of childhood obesity. Originally posted by nickgusset
It's ridiculous. All the subjects teachers are being encouraged, sorry shouted at, by the newspapers, to teach, such as - e-safety, prevent, body image, sex ed.... to name a few are covered in a CPSHE curriculum. It makes no sense that Academies or a Free Schools don't have to teach this. It's an invaluable part of the curriculum when it offers enrichment, discussion, debate and life skills. These are skills which our young people need as well as the academic areas.
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