Its been a while since Palace has really smashed someones career but will this be the low point and end of Allardyce as he finally gets relegated? We all assume managers and players will keep their performances at a certain level but did the England thing rock his confidence more than it appeared? We look absolutely woeful out there right now and on this form if we stay up it will be more about the 3 worse teams than us, than it will be about us. He saved the club and will go down in folklore but Parish is responsible for this total shambles. He dithered and wasted time and now Allardyce may not have enough time to sort himself, and us out. How Parish could be so reckless with the club and let Pardew sell our core players and then keep him in a job for 3 months too long is beyond my comprehension.

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The England thing is a worry as to whether Allardyce has completely got over it. I wonder if he got back in football a little to soon but he's here and has a job on his hands. Certainly the team is worse than he expected, confidence is very low and there doesn't seem to be a core of players with the mental strength for a relegation battle.

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Parish did make a mistake in failing to see the writing was on the wall for Pardew last May and he certainly should have acted after the Swansea away result, but I suspect that he would acknowledge that himself. I don't go along with the 'core player' argument; Bolasie wanted out, Jedinak had become a fringe player and Gayle wasn't favoured by four managers. Benteke was potentially a great signing and still would be with decent service in the right formation. Remy was a risk, due to his injury record, but is starting to look very good. Townsend is an arse and needs to be told to get on the left and start putting some crosses in or fcuk off. Flamini could be important influence if used well.

It's not necessarily too late for Allardyce to turn things around. He's still got two weeks of this window left and then he needs a few weeks to get the team playing the way he wants and for his coaching team to have an effect. No one can undo the damage that Pardew did to confidence and fitness in a few weeks. So yes, on balance SP should have acted quicker, but I do see why he was unwilling to do so. All is not lost until we're mathematically down, and until we are, I'm not giving up hope of a revival.

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At Sunderland his signings in the 'Window' were Harper (G) and the 'K force' of Kone, Kirchoff and Khazri. When he took over they were 19th, 5 pts from safety.They finished in 17th place, 2 pts above Newcastle.They were hugely indebted to Defoe who scored 15 PL goals last season.

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I don't see why people would have a problem with this. Its clear that Pardew was in trouble, and I'd like to think that sensible heads prevailed by getting someone to 'run the numbers and present a model for recovery'. Its what I'd do as an owner.

Well he did it with Sunderland, and that was arguably a much harder job. I think he's got his work cut out.

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I would hope that Allardyce's nadir would be losing the England job after about 60 days. Even getting relegated with Palace would surely struggle to top (or bottom) that.

I am usually really pessimistic when it comes to Palace. At the start of the season, I said that I would consider 17th a good season but people on here were saying that we shouldn't settle for anything less than Europe.

Now, I feel like I am the most optimistic of all Palace fans. We are still in 17th, Hull have four horror matches to come, and the only thing that might save Sunderland and Swansea would be to play Palace every week.