I'm not sure you can say he's come up short just yet, it's his first season in a new league.

I think it's certainly tougher than he was expecting it to be, I'd say next season will be when we can really judge if he has come up short. He could quite easily still win the league with Citeh this year although that looks increasingly unlikely.

Once he's had a full season and really put his stamp on the squad then we'll find out what he's made of

I don't think anyone can suggest he was a bad manager or didn't do well with his available talent at Barcelona.

You only have to look at Martino, Vilanova, and to an extent Enrique to realise that he did very well. And Rijkaard arguably had a better team and he outperformed him.

But there is definitely an element that he was embedded in the system, the ethos, the history, the culture and so had an advantage.

I think the Premier League is much more competitive that the Bundesliga or La Liga. And Man City are not playing well.

He is also trying to impose the dreaded transition on a side. And it is difficult to do.

There are some glaring tactical errors - he allowed a relatively under-confident Leicester side a huge amount of space behind to attack which seems foolhardy, but he's a very good manager. And I suspect that will show out. And they are a long way from out of the title race despite some horror results recently.

Conte in some ways had a much easier job. They already had the personnel to be a counter-attacking defensive side. He just had to do some formation switches.

Citeh require more substantial changes to really play the way Guardiola wants.

"It's almost like a moral decision. Except not really cos noone is going to find out," Jez, Peep Show

At least they can't sing Glad All Over. They'd be better off with Louise Redknapp dancing on strictly to GAO than Stones c0cking it up left right and centre as he tries to over complicate passing between their 1st/2nd line.

COYP

Of course he is a good manager when his teams are full of top drawers. Let's see what he's made of in a much more competitive league. Wish he, Mourinho, Conte and Klopp had to work with the Stoke/WBA/Burnleys instead of squads full of international stars. Then we would discover their true "greatness".

Looks like he's trying to reinvent the wheel sometimes. Plus he has John Stones who's a cracking defender for the opposition. Bravo is terrible as well, weird signing.

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

Give him next season and I think he'll prove himself.

He has a unique way of wanting to play and as someone else mentioned, he likes to reinvent the wheel.

I think he's found out he's stubborn this season, if he's a true great, he'll realise it's a personal weakness he has to work on.

Bravo is the key evidence for this. Joe Hart is a solid top keeper (not the best in the league but capable of being in a title winning side). He's adored by City which means a lot and knows the Premier League.

He threw all that away because Bravo can supposedly pass a ball under pressure. As it turns out, he can't, it just looked that way because Spanish teams wouldn't press Barcelona's back line.

It will be a mixture of buying the right players for his formation - he'll simply have to replace Clichy and Sagna as full-backs but also sticking to what he believes in - John Stones.

I really think with the right team around him Stones will flourish and play the football Guardiola wants.

If the first game of next season he has Joe Hart as No. 1, new blood at full-back and to everyone's shock John Stones at centerback he will look like a man who has learned from his mistakes but also stayed strong to his convictions.

If he insists on Bravo and then buys a Center-back the height of Mascherano though he's an arrogant fool.