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Ben Garner leaving - the start of our current demi
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 Johnny Byrne  Pinner 27 Nov 16 8.24pm |
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No coincidence that we have slowly got worse since he left. We are headed for the EFL unless change happens now. I think AP has lost the dressing room.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 27 Nov 16 8.47pm |
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I think it's a fair call that Ben Garner being pushed out by Pardew is a big factor.
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| Bangell Oxford 27 Nov 16 8.51pm |
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How on earth would you know this?
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| braunstoneagle the middle of bumf*** nowhere... 27 Nov 16 8.56pm |
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absolutly pathetic
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 27 Nov 16 8.56pm |
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Originally posted by Bangell
How on earth would you know this? Well Ben Garner has been at the club for years and we all know a coach is close the players. A good cop type of relationship and possibly an underrated role. Pardew has brought in mates who don't or can't challenge him. It's as if Pardew has changed all around him to feel safe but the failure from doing that has made it a really costly error.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 27 Nov 16 8.58pm |
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Originally posted by braunstoneagle
absolutly pathetic The application on the pitch is pathetic and the coach works more than anyone on the training ground and in those warm ups before matches.
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Y Ddraig Goch  In The Crowd 27 Nov 16 9.09pm |
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Ben Garner going was viewed as odd especially as he was replaced with Salako. However we enjoyed a purple patch the first half of last season so I'm not sure of the impact of him leaving. One thing though, he is very highly rated within the game To criticise Pardew for having his own team is silly, that's what managers do. He should have probably got rid of Millen too but most of us, including me would have been unhappy with him being binned after everything he has done.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 27 Nov 16 9.16pm |
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Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch
Ben Garner going was viewed as odd especially as he was replaced with Salako. However we enjoyed a purple patch the first half of last season so I'm not sure of the impact of him leaving. One thing though, he is very highly rated within the game To criticise Pardew for having his own team is silly, that's what managers do. He should have probably got rid of Millen too but most of us, including me would have been unhappy with him being binned after everything he has done. The fitness, focus, spirit, camaraderie, playing for each other, covering a player's mistake (something Hambo highlighted on HOL radio) gradually evaporated and when a player or 2 was injured last year and wins were hard to come by, those qualities fig you out of this s sh1t. Pardew has burnt a lot of bridges and seems as though some of the glue has gone. That picture of Delaney asleep on the bench I'd like to see. Speaks volumes.
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collier row eagle  romford essex via another galaxy 27 Nov 16 9.36pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
The fitness, focus, spirit, camaraderie, playing for each other, covering a player's mistake (something Hambo highlighted on HOL radio) gradually evaporated and when a player or 2 was injured last year and wins were hard to come by, those qualities fig you out of this s sh1t. Pardew has burnt a lot of bridges and seems as though some of the glue has gone. That picture of Delaney asleep on the bench I'd like to see. Speaks volumes. Yes listened to the show tonight good points made, especially the spirit and togetherness, it's just not there anymore.
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| Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 27 Nov 16 9.40pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
The fitness, focus, spirit, camaraderie, playing for each other, covering a player's mistake (something Hambo highlighted on HOL radio) gradually evaporated and when a player or 2 was injured last year and wins were hard to come by, those qualities fig you out of this s sh1t. Pardew has burnt a lot of bridges and seems as though some of the glue has gone. That picture of Delaney asleep on the bench I'd like to see. Speaks volumes. But don't you think, whatever problems there are, there is still that spirit? Sunderland, Burnley and Swansea all saw great fight backs. I haven't seen the Damo shot but if as described it disappoints me. I would have thought whatever his feelings to AP (he was happy enough to sign an extension) he'd have been happy for the team.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 27 Nov 16 10.01pm |
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Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch
But don't you think, whatever problems there are, there is still that spirit? Sunderland, Burnley and Swansea all saw great fight backs. I haven't seen the Damo shot but if as described it disappoints me. I would have thought whatever his feelings to AP (he was happy enough to sign an extension) he'd have been happy for the team. But working to score goals is different to working to stop goals. Every job has a better side to it and we're excelling in the enjoyable and shirking the day to day demanding stuff. Only a leader solves this and now there's none on the pitch or the dugout. Clear out in the dugout it has to be.
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| pete58 Northampton 27 Nov 16 10.18pm |
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Perhaps the biggest loss to the team was Jedinak. Now have no leader on the pitch
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