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Hoof Hearted 18 Nov 16 11.11am | |
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What a waste of time, money and effort. The latest one about child sex abuse is still having problems.... The largest victims group has now withdrawn because they are unhappy with the 4th (yes the 4th FFS) chairperson of the Inquiry. I can't name one Inquiry in the last 50 years that has achieved a meaningful conclusion, has run to time, budget and produced a worthwhile result. ... and don't say the recent Hillsborough Inquiry because that just became an exercise to totally appease the Scousers after the previous efforts had treated them so shabbily. Inquiries only benefit the legal profession who now look upon them as a nice little earner. Judges and QC's with their snouts in the trough with no real motivation or penalty for over-running on time or expense. It seems to me that MP's particularly Labour and Liberal ones are too quick to call for Inquiries without thinking about the cost and upheaval. I wonder how many Billions of tax payers money has been wasted this last 10 years? Imagine what this amount could have been spent on... NHS, Schools, Sport.....
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topcat Holmesdale / Surbiton 18 Nov 16 11.37am | |
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Originally posted by Hoof Hearted
What a waste of time, money and effort. The latest one about child sex abuse is still having problems.... The largest victims group has now withdrawn because they are unhappy with the 4th (yes the 4th FFS) chairperson of the Inquiry. I can't name one Inquiry in the last 50 years that has achieved a meaningful conclusion, has run to time, budget and produced a worthwhile result. ... and don't say the recent Hillsborough Inquiry because that just became an exercise to totally appease the Scousers after the previous efforts had treated them so shabbily. Inquiries only benefit the legal profession who now look upon them as a nice little earner. Judges and QC's with their snouts in the trough with no real motivation or penalty for over-running on time or expense. It seems to me that MP's particularly Labour and Liberal ones are too quick to call for Inquiries without thinking about the cost and upheaval. I would how many Billions of tax payers money has been wasted this last 10 years? Imagine what this amount could have been spent on... NHS, Schools, Sport.....
We should have an inquiry into it.
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jamiemartin721 Reading 18 Nov 16 11.51am | |
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I quite like them - My frustration really is a) how long after the event they take to come to a conclusion that everyone else had arrived at and generally a damning conclusion of how badly the authorities have deceived the public. Basically we should have a body set up to investigate these things by default, where as the reality is that inquiries are generally delayed, convoluted affairs that essentially are about the state bodies avoiding the consequences of their failure by creating a distance. The end result of almost every enquiry has been what the public has long since realised. Whether it was Hillsborough, Chilcot, Stephen Lawrence etc. The idea is necessary for a democratic society - the state has to be accountable for its actions - the problem stems from the fact we essentially put those accountable in charge of defining the inquiry - Its like allowing the accused to also be the judge at a criminal case.
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Hrolf The Ganger 18 Nov 16 12.57pm | |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
I quite like them - My frustration really is a) how long after the event they take to come to a conclusion that everyone else had arrived at and generally a damning conclusion of how badly the authorities have deceived the public. Basically we should have a body set up to investigate these things by default, where as the reality is that inquiries are generally delayed, convoluted affairs that essentially are about the state bodies avoiding the consequences of their failure by creating a distance. The end result of almost every enquiry has been what the public has long since realised. Whether it was Hillsborough, Chilcot, Stephen Lawrence etc. The idea is necessary for a democratic society - the state has to be accountable for its actions - the problem stems from the fact we essentially put those accountable in charge of defining the inquiry - Its like allowing the accused to also be the judge at a criminal case. And it always has been. It usually results in the victims spending their lives seeking justice instead of getting on with their lives and the guilty dying or retiring and never being punished. We need Nazi hunter types to follow these things through. They never give up.
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steeleye20 Croydon 18 Nov 16 2.01pm | |
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I wonder why in the case of this vast child sex enquiry with judges regularly leaving and now the alleged victims too - whether it can continue. Its upsetting for everybody but a judge needs evidence to determine the truth and not go on what people say as Justice Goddard herself said. If I was abused by a teacher for example 30 years ago what evidence would I have - probably none and witnesses - the same. If I did they would be long gone? Its all very distressing for the genuine victims of course but how does the Judge determine the truth.
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Hrolf The Ganger 18 Nov 16 3.27pm | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
I wonder why in the case of this vast child sex enquiry with judges regularly leaving and now the alleged victims too - whether it can continue. Its upsetting for everybody but a judge needs evidence to determine the truth and not go on what people say as Justice Goddard herself said. If I was abused by a teacher for example 30 years ago what evidence would I have - probably none and witnesses - the same. If I did they would be long gone? Its all very distressing for the genuine victims of course but how does the Judge determine the truth.
Well perhaps if the authorities expended as much effort as they did collaring Gary Glitter and Rolf Harris, to name just two, for historical offences or investigating Cliff Richard. The police seem strangely ineffectual when it comes to historical pedophile rings. I wonder why?
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.TUX. 18 Nov 16 5.10pm | |
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Absolute f-cking joke! The establishment once again doing what they do best, looking after their own and b-llox to the plebs.
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Mapletree Croydon 18 Nov 16 6.24pm | |
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Don't forget the big one is on our doorstep. It may have been owned by Lambeth but Shirley Oaks appears to have been a disaster. I know someone who grew up there and he is deeply reticent to talk about it at all.
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Kermit8 Hevon 18 Nov 16 7.04pm | |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Don't forget the big one is on our doorstep. It may have been owned by Lambeth but Shirley Oaks appears to have been a disaster. I know someone who grew up there and he is deeply reticent to talk about it at all. Indeed. Fairly horrific from the little I know about it already. One of my pubs was The Shirley Poppy as a 16-17 year old and a couple of hundred metres away, at the same time, was hell on earth for kids the same age or a bit younger. Thing is, back in them days, it seemed so easy to have gotten away with abuse and pretty much out in the open. The worst that could happen is that they would be moved on or told to quit. Prison just wasn't a danger. Our school had one or two paedos. They were tolerated too.
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