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dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 10 Mar 16 9.43am | |
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Have been bubbled by one of thier own. This is literally like winning the Euro millions for a whole year running for the security and intelligence services. As an aside, where was the central hub for all this info ? Turkey, the country the in mob want us to open our borders to !!! Out
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Superfly The sun always shines in Catford 10 Mar 16 9.56am | |
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You have to fill in an application form to join the Islamic State!? And these forms were all converted and held on a memory stick, which was then stolen and handed to Sky News. Is anyone elses bullshlt meter flashing?
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dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 10 Mar 16 9.58am | |
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Originally posted by Superfly
You have to fill in an application form to join the Islamic State!? And these forms were all converted and held on a memory stick, which was then stolen and handed to Sky News. Is anyone elses bullshlt meter flashing? No. Not when MI6 are involved.
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Superfly The sun always shines in Catford 10 Mar 16 10.06am | |
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They're not. No mention of them in that link.
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dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 10 Mar 16 10.08am | |
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Originally posted by Superfly
They're not. No mention of them in that link. Oh well thats then case closed well done you.
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Superfly The sun always shines in Catford 10 Mar 16 10.09am | |
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Eh?
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dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 10 Mar 16 10.16am | |
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Originally posted by Superfly
Eh? My point is why do you immediatley call bullsh1t on something that has far reaching consequences, not just for international terrorism, but also Turkeys membership of the EU. Just because it was Sky news that broke the story, doesnt automatically mean its not true. Have you not stopped to think, that the reason the intelligence services have not been mentioned is that they would have broken all manner of treaties by operating an intelligence sting on Turkish soil, however passing the info to a massive media agencey takes that little can of worms out of the equation. Sky get the credit, coalition security services operating illegally on NATO soil dont become embroiled in a nasty little feud with Turkey. Everyone's a winner.
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Hoof Hearted 10 Mar 16 10.17am | |
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Superfly... ISIS is effectively an army... why wouldn't they have a list of soldiers or jihadists if you prefer with their contact details etc... how else would they contact them or check out their credentials to validate them? Why also are you rubbishing the fact that these details have been leaked.... we know human failings exist in any organisation.... I doubt that ISIS are as thorough about security than most modern day armies or corporations. It's not hard for me to imagine there being a chance of a mole or two planted within ISIS just as much as a muslim mole infiltrating the USA army which we've seen with them killing soldiers in Middle East bases.
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jamiemartin721 Reading 10 Mar 16 10.17am | |
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Originally posted by Superfly
You have to fill in an application form to join the Islamic State!? And these forms were all converted and held on a memory stick, which was then stolen and handed to Sky News. Is anyone elses bullshlt meter flashing? Its less unusual than you think. Most groups, terrorist or liberation et al, ultimately have to pay their members, which requires some degree of book keeping - People generally can't hold down jobs and be involved in 'the struggle or war'. They have to eat, support families and provide 'news to next of kin'. The last bit sounds a bit weird, but essentially this was what Al-Qaeda was during the Soviet-Afghan war, it kind of translates as the Base (as in data base) - They managed logistics, money, recruits in and out of Afghanistan, and provided information to families about the fate of Jihadists. Hamas for example, pays compensation to those killed in suicide attacks, as well as a pension to the family. A very large proportion of IS recruits, do so because they pay quite well (by local standards), and employment prospects aren't particularly good in a civil war. Al-Qaeda in Iraq did the same. Like anything, the beauracracy is the achillies link and holy grail of intelligence and counter-intelligence. But it does mean you have to keep records.
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jamiemartin721 Reading 10 Mar 16 10.25am | |
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Originally posted by dannyh
Have been bubbled by one of thier own. This is literally like winning the Euro millions for a whole year running for the security and intelligence services. As an aside, where was the central hub for all this info ? Turkey, the country the in mob want us to open our borders to !!! Out Turkey is an odd country, it has a very secular political basis, that's increasingly become more Islamist, and an effective counter-terrorist / cross border intelligence service. I wouldn't rule out the Turkish intelligence agencies being involved either. Its not unusual for intelligence agencies to sit on 'known suspects' to accumulate information, rather than shutting them down, if there is minimal risk to the nation - Especially when its about logistics (follow them in and out), because if you shut them down, new routes will spring up. It might also explain why Turkey has been quite 'porous' in its border, because they've been asked to, or involved. So you keep letting them use the known 'safe routes' accumulate information and pass it on. Bad news for Syria, but good news for everyone else, when you produce a list of 22,000 suspects that you can have picked up elsewhere, without compromising your asset. Once it becomes compromised, you've got 22,000 suspects, probably all under surveillance, and everyone they've since been in contact with. 22,000 is the tip of the iceberg.
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jamiemartin721 Reading 10 Mar 16 10.34am | |
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Originally posted by Hoof Hearted
Superfly... ISIS is effectively an army... why wouldn't they have a list of soldiers or jihadists if you prefer with their contact details etc... how else would they contact them or check out their credentials to validate them? Why also are you rubbishing the fact that these details have been leaked.... we know human failings exist in any organisation.... I doubt that ISIS are as thorough about security than most modern day armies or corporations. It's not hard for me to imagine there being a chance of a mole or two planted within ISIS just as much as a muslim mole infiltrating the USA army which we've seen with them killing soldiers in Middle East bases. I suspect they're as thorough as they can be. It seems they don't trust Western foreign Jihadists volunteers all that much either. Usually, its easier to 'flip someone' on the inside, than to get someone in through the ranks. Usually if you want to get someone on the inside, directly, you don't go through the obvious channels. For example if you want to get someone onto a US base, you probably get a 'clean record' recruit, and get them to apply for a menial job - such as cleaners - especially cleaning and janitorial staff, because ultimately they aren't suspicious in most areas and have access to a lot of places (such as where uniforms are stored).
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Hoof Hearted 10 Mar 16 10.42am | |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
I suspect they're as thorough as they can be. It seems they don't trust Western foreign Jihadists volunteers all that much either. Usually, its easier to 'flip someone' on the inside, than to get someone in through the ranks. Usually if you want to get someone on the inside, directly, you don't go through the obvious channels. For example if you want to get someone onto a US base, you probably get a 'clean record' recruit, and get them to apply for a menial job - such as cleaners - especially cleaning and janitorial staff, because ultimately they aren't suspicious in most areas and have access to a lot of places (such as where uniforms are stored). One of the guys I was referring to was a sargeant in Afghanistan and killed 6 US Marines.
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